Design and Plans sought

[InTheBeech]

I am interested in getting some suggestions regarding a weekender that is basically as close to an O'day Typhoon Weekender, as possible. If this were carvel planked, solid keel, steamed framed; it would be perfect - basically a two person keel boat with great versatility in as small a package as possible for two to sleep over, without needing any other conveniences (sink, head, inboard), and can with some effort, be trailered.

Thanks for the input,
Ed

[DGentry]

". . . a two person keel boat with great versatility in as small a package as possible for two to sleep over, without needing any other conveniences (sink, head, inboard), and can with some effort, be trailered."

That sounds an awful lot like Phil Bolger's Micro, or better yet, his Long Micro - though they are certainly not carvel planked.

If you want insist on carvel, you might consider the longer, but basically smaller, Eel, by William Garden. Plans available from the Woodenboat store.

There are many microcruiser designs that are made of plywood, if you can live without carvel. Many good ones exist without solid keels, as well.

Here are just a few:
Paul Fishers Grey Swan: http://www.selway-fisher.com/PCup16.htm#GREY
Jim Michalak's Musicbox2: http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/musicbox2/index.htm
John Welsford's Penguin: http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/penguin/index.htm

You might do a search on this site for small, or micro, cruisers . . . .

[Alex Low]

Mr. Gartside has a few that could be carvel planked:

http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail2.php#itchen

[Woxbox]

Do you mean the Cape Dory Typhoon?\

http://home.att.net/~sail-trailers/typhoon_trailer.jpg

I would look at Oughtred's Eun Mara.

http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/images/eun_na_mara_-_w13.jpg

Roomier cabin, very able. Don't know if it takes to carvel planking well, but I don't know why it wouldn't.

The Long Micro is a much simpler and quicker build, and probably would serve the purpose well. Much quicker to rig off the trailer, too.

http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/boat/l_micro.jpg

[Peter Belenky]

In wood, the Joel White 20' Flatfish is along those lines and similar displacement.
http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=150%2D129

or C.A. Nedwidek's 16' Gozo on the smaller side
http://www.dngoodchild.com/5395.htm

Using modern techniques, another micro-cruiser design would be Iain Oughtred's Wee Seal
http://www.simmonsandbroome.com/
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/gallery?KID=2

[Steve Paskey]

I'll assume that carvel planking, a solid keel, and steamed frames are essential requirements. Have you looked at the web site for Atkin & Co? See: www.atkinboatplans.com (http://www.atkinboatplans.com) You might have a look at BLUEBIRD, an 18' keel cruising knockabout. Two berths, room for a small inboard, and a draft of only 2 feet without a centerboard. There are other nice designs (I particularly like Maid of Endor), but they're deeper and heavier ... Exactly how much effort did you have in mind when you said trailerable "with some effort"?

If you can live with a centerboard but still want carvel planking, etc., I'll second William Garden's EEL.

[dredbob]

Sounds like L. Francis Herreshoffs H-22 (Prudence) as shown in the intro chapter of _Sensible Cruising Designs_.

[chrisk]

Atkin's Milford has a shallow draft full keel option, no centerboard, in the plans even though it is not mentioned at the web site.

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/Milford.html

The shallow full keel option is 2' 4"draft. Displacement should come in about ~3460 lbs. Should be trailerable, but it'd take more then a passenger car that usually has a max trailering limit of 2000 lbs.

Not exactly like a weekender, should fit 2 comfortably, no inboard in the plans. It is carvel, but without steam bent frames, the frames are nice and straight. It is a shallow V single chine design. The ketch rig should make it easily single-handed.

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/Milford-1.gif

If I have done my calculations right

LOA 21' 6"
LWL 19'
Beam 7'
Draft 2' 4"
Rig Gaff ketch
Sail Area 208 sq ft
D/L 225
SA/D 14.5
Hull Speed 5.4
Capsize Screening Factor 1.85
Ted Brewer's Comfort Ratio 20.1

I wouldn't mind seeing the sail area increased to 250 bringing the SA/D to 17.5, but that'd involve moving some masts around slightly. Something I wouldn't want to mess with.

There is also Economy Jane, if you like double-enders.

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/EconomyJane.html

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/EconomyJane-1.gif

There may be some steam bending there as there is some curvature to the frames.

[InTheBeech]

Follow up question;
Thanks all for the replies. There is much in your responses to study. I had already known that Atkin & Co. had a few designs that were very much in line but have no experience with this company and their offerings. Would someone who has purchased their plans please write back and comment on the level of detail and completeness? As this is only my second boat, I have already passed on some beautiful options when I found out that lines, offsets and sail plan only, were offered. I would need construction details as well; and the more the better.
Thank You,
Ed

[chrisk]

Follow up question;
Thanks all for the replies. There is much in your responses to study. I had already known that Atkin & Co. had a few designs that were very much in line but have no experience with this company and their offerings. Would someone who has purchased their plans please write back and comment on the level of detail and completeness? As this is only my second boat, I have already passed on some beautiful options when I found out that lines, offsets and sail plan only, were offered. I would need construction details as well; and the more the better.


The Artkin boat plans I have are just a set of the drawings you mentioned and a corresponding copy from old magazine articles that the Atkins wrote that described some basic construction issue like scantlings and suggested types of wood for the boat, If you want a step by step instruction manual as well, they would not be the way to go. Although, other books do have write ups on building methods I don't know of any that go through a step-by-step construction on any of the Atkin's designs.

[InTheBeech]

chris,
Thanks for responding. I am fine without step-by-step instructions. As I say, All I want to know is the level of detail on the construction sheets.
So, with respect to your plans could you tell me if all of the major structural elements have sizes, are cross-sectional rabbet dimensions shown on the keel from stem to transom, are fastener types and sizes reccommended? I am sure that I am missing much but you get the idea of what I mean when I say 'level of detail.'
Thanks,
Ed

By the way, if you don't mind me asking, what boat design do you have?

[Ed Armstrong]

Owning and sailing a Cape Dory Typhoon, it sounds like you're looking for much that I am in a weekend cruiser, although the Typhoon does not have sufficient sitting headroom for me. I'm actually looking for something slightly larger than a Typhoon, but with a wee bit shallower draft. Designs that I've admired include some of Oughtred's cruisers (Wee Seal, Eun mara and Grey Seal), Garsides 22' double-ender (#106), Joel White's Flatfish, Herreshoff's Marlin, the Cape Cutter 19, Sam Crocker's Sallee Rover, and Roger Long's 20-foot flush-deck sloop, to name a few. Of these, the only ones that I'd compare with the Typhoon would perhaps be the Marlin (essentially a Herreshoff Fish with a cabin, see my post from several days ago), and maybe the Sallee Rover. You might seriously check out the Sallee Rover, in that she sound like she has the mannered sailing qualities of the Typhoon, is carvel planked, and I've heard the plans are quite detailed. Woodenboat's Small Boats 2008 has an article on her that got me drooling all over again.

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400065.JPG

Ed

[Ed Armstrong]

I don't know why, but I love this grainy photo of a Herreshoff Fish. I think it's owned by one of the members here. The cabin has been enlarged over a standard Fish, and it's probably not a contender for what you want, because the plans are owned by Cape Cod Shipbuilding; however, if you had the gumption, you might be able to enlarge the cabin of a Flatfish, but there I go, suggesting modifications to a great design again...<sigh>.

http://www.vsp.cape.com/~whmsi/felicity.jpg