Old Woodenboat Magazines

[tchiffriller]

Does anyone know where i could get a bunch of used old Woodenboat Magazines?

[Tim_H]

Ebay. There is also a book store in Port Townsend with a good selection

[Brian Palmer]

I've got some duplicates from when I completed my collection. Any particular numbers you are looking for?

Brian

[rbgarr]

There's a whole set for sale in this issue of WB. Dan, 207-359-4669

[Tim_H]

There are also sets of CD's floating around. WoodenBoat doesnt sell them anymore, but sometimes you can find a set on Ebay.

[BETTY-B]

Ebay. There is also a book store in Port Townsend with a good selection

Where? I'm missing quite a few of the first thirty or so...
At one time, I had a list of the ones I was missing stuck to my monitor. I'd just check Ebay often. The sticky became a fixture. And I never got them. Oh well. Something to look forward to next winter I guess...

DAN

[Tim_H]

I cant remember the name of it. Its about 2 blocks down from the ferry on the water side of the street. They have a couple of big boxes of back issues sitting on the floor by the maritime section.

[Mad Scientist]

WB #199 (Nov/Dec 07) contained an announcement that "The entire collection of WoodenBoat will soon be made available in digital format...Details to come. www.wodenboaststore.com"
I haven't seen anything on the webpage yet...

[Tim_H]

They had CD sthat had the whole collection, but they discontinued them for some reason.

[Steve Paskey]

They had CD sthat had the whole collection, but they discontinued them for some reason.

As I understand it, it was a copyright issue. One or more people claimed that WB had not paid for the right to distribute their work in an electronic format.

[Tim_H]

As I understand it, it was a copyright issue. One or more people claimed that WB had not paid for the right to distribute their work in an electronic format.

So everyone suffers because of some greedy scumbag.

[rbgarr]

The people who submit articles to WB are scumbags????

[bob winter]

It seems some are.

[rbgarr]

Likewise marine photographers like a Benjamin Mendlowitz for seeking to maintain their copyrights??

[Tim_H]

well it would seem to me that they must have been being unreasonable not to allow their work to be included on the CD when it was already paid for to be in the print issue.

[rbgarr]

That will be news to all the professional photographers.

[Tim_H]

so who benefits by WB not being able to produce their CD's?

I must be missing something here.

[Alexander2]

So everyone suffers because of some greedy scumbag.

I have not contributed anything that has been printed in the magazine but I since I know folks who write for such magazines I can assure you they are hardly "greedy scumbags".
The pay is poor for the time involved. One writer who does a lot of outdoor paddlecraft articles tells me he has to sell the same article [rewritten] to 3 mags, written in the style and context of each particular mag before he turns a profit. One might go to the "Eastern Paddler", another to "Vermont Travels" and one to "Wooden Boat" for instance.
3 different stories from the same pile of material.

His time, his research, his photo costs, are rarely if ever covered with what he gets from one article.

And even if he did make a good profit on one article, does that make him a "greedy scumbag" if he sold it for one time use and the publisher wants to use it in a new venue?

I don't think so, do you?

[Tim_H]

I only have one published article and I only got $500 for it. I could surely never make a living writing articles, but its the recognition that makes it worth it.
I am planning on writing another even. And mine came out in print and digital. The more the merrier as far as Im concerned.

[Alexander2]

I only have one published article and I only got $500 for it. I could surely never make a living writing articles, but its the recognition that makes it worth it.
I am planning on writing another even. And mine came out in print and digital. The more the merrier as far as Im concerned.

If you were trying to make a living or even a supplement to your living you would feel differently.
Since you are more looking for recognition I suppose you wouldn't mind if they gave it to the Seattle Times to print.

[Tim_H]

wouldnt matter to me.
I can see writers and photographers wanting to get extra money (within reason) for their work being published in different media, but to outright refuse to allow it to be put into digital format makes no sense to me.
Thats why I say they must be greedy. I assume they wanted more money than was feasible for WB to pay.
And as a result many people are missing out. I have the CD's so it doesnt matter to me other than principal.

[Bruce Hooke]

Actually, I suspect it goes beyond the cost to WoodenBoat and centers around the simple question of whether WoodenBoat needs permission for this use. If they start offering money to some authors then that is implicit acknowledgment that putting the material on a CD is a new use requiring new agreements with the creators of the material. At that point they presumably have to contact every single person who holds rights to any of the material in question (or risk numerous lawsuits). That would be a nearly impossible task especially given that I'm sure there are quite a few authors and photographers from the older issues who are no longer with us. So, their copyrights would be held by their descendants.

Photographers also have a justifiable concern that anything you do to make their photographs available in digital format is likely to result in more misuse of those photographs.

[Yeadon]

I'm not familiar with the WB magazine situation regarding the never released cds (of course details like that never slowed me down from commenting before ...)

But ... the relationship between a writer and the publisher is similar sort of like buying a set of plans from a boat designer. You own those plans for a very set scope of usage. You get to build that boat once, or maybe twice, but not 56,000 times - unless it's already spelled out in the scope.

If you want to build above and beyond the terms of use, then the designer has a right to ask for a bit more money. Seems fair.

However, none of this has to do with whether or not writers are scumbags. That's a whole different argument, and perfectly valid, too.

[GoldDogs]

I got one complete set and most of another on e bay a few years ago fer like $65 shipped.

Not sure what the situation is on there now, people prolly scooping them up asap with automatic notifications via MS messenger and Firefox's ebay add on etc. You really have to sit in front of the computer to catch the deals.

I remember not being able to find the right key word for the mag. You may find them under a general category like- Magazines, books, ???

good luck.

[Steve Lansdowne]

Occasionally someone will advertise a batch in Messing About in Boats, but there are no such ads in the current issue.

[elf]

I'm not familiar with the WB magazine situation regarding the never released cds (of course details like that never slowed me down from commenting before ...)

But ... the relationship between a writer and the publisher is similar sort of like buying a set of plans from a boat designer. Unfortunately that's very rarely true now. In most cases the creator is given a choice, either take a small amount of money and give up all rights, preferably the copyright, or we'll find some other gullible person who'll give us all rights just to see their name in print.

How this situation came about, being as it's moderately recent, is a long story. I have 4 years of emails among editorial photographers during the transition from decent licenses to massive consolidation of the stock industry into the hands of two companies - Getty and Corbis (a private business owned by Bill Gates). Basically when the goverment loosened restrictions on media ownership, copyrights became extremely valuable to the holders, and at the same time a group of strong personalities who had run stock agencies for 20 years all reached cashing out age. The creators got lost in the middle of the fight, many lost 20 years of work when Getty went into the offices of their new purchases and just dumped all the images into cartons and went off with them.

So the way it is now is that most publications are owned by a very small group of companies and most stock licensing is done through Corbis or Getty for laughable fees like a full page for $49. And that's what Getty gets. The photographer gets 10% of that if s/he's lucky. In addition, most sports and more and more news is now shot by contract between Getty and the Leagues. The photographers shoot for a flat fee and give up all rights. If they don't agree they just can't shoot.

Getty is trying to get into sailing now, although it's one of the last areas to be free of the plague.

However, none of this has to do with whether or not writers are scumbags. That's a whole different argument, and perfectly valid, too.

My idea of a writer who's a scumbag has a lot more to do with personality than with the pittance s/he gets paid. My idea of a writer who's greedy comes in around $8K for a 500 word article or WoodenBoat Magazine cover. An advertising photographer might come in around $35K for a Vanity Fair cover, and that wouldn't include the expenses and creative fees, just the usage license. The photographer whose image became the trademark for Windoze XP earned $125K for Corbis and he, himself apparently received less than 50% of that. We thought the fee was very low, although it was a lot of money at the time in the business.

When you consider that the replacement latch for the trunk lid of my car will cost me $100, $500 for a article certainly doesn't go very far. For a family of 4 it's about 1.5 weeks of food(if they don't have teenagers), or a quarter of a tank of heating oil. And the writer undoubtedly spent many hours researching the article, and quite a few writing it.

$60,000/yr is $1250.00/wk. and you get benefits (some of the time) and vacation and sickleave and legal holidays. Where I live $60K/year is a middle class salary.

[Yeadon]

Just curious, how much do they pay for a woodenboat cover story?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ok I got a boat load of old WB mags and I'll give em to ya. After a while of re-reading old issues I relized I just like reading the NEW issue cover to cover and as much as I like to think I should save them to refer back to I never do. So there they sit stacking up like National Geographics in an old barber shop.

Besides if I have a question about how to do somthing why would I rummage through a hundred WB mags when I can just post on the WBF ;) CD's who needs CD's I got Building & Repair FAQ upstairs ;)

So if you want them pm me and all I ask is you cover the shipping.