possible dinghy for Airlie. thoughts

[S.V. Airlie]

about 11' long. Cedar, oak.. comes with oars and paint. Needs copper nails replaced
Wants 350.00
What do you think?http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/dinghy3.jpg
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[S.V. Airlie]

more pictures
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/dinghy8.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/dinghy7.jpg

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[Thad Van Gilder]

um... isn't $350 a bit stiff?


-Thad

[S.V. Airlie]

That's what I'm asking.

[ishmael]

Hm, hard to say without a good poke around, but it looks a bit rougher than just some new fastenings.

Do you need another project just now? I'd say keep looking. Find a nice pram that just needs some paint.

[S.V. Airlie]

Ish.. I need a dinghy.
Now it is cedar. I didn't find any rot in the oak. It has been outside but appears sound.
Refastening yes.. but not entirely.

I have a month really before I can do any cosmetic work on Airlie.

And I obviously need a dinghy..

I am thinking that 350.00 is a bit high too. I'm just asking for opinions and whether Iam correct in my thinking. Perhaps 250.00

ps.. look at the price of some of the prams Ish... eyes rolling!

[Brian Palmer]

I does look a bit rough for $350.

Do you have any place and tools to build your own from scratch? For $350 you could easily build a simple 8 ft ply dingy from a couple sheets of wood. I'd use the raw material cost of building your own as a starting offer.

--Brian

[john l]

doesn't look all that bad. ribs seem kind of minimal. are there floor boards? and oars ? it looks light and kind of like an atkins design. i think with some serious elbow greese she can be made right over the next month. the bottom doesn't look cross planked so tightness is suspect.
i'd give it a go at $200. it looks like it would handle a 2hp hond outboard quite nicely too!

[S.V. Airlie]

I does look a bit rough for $350.

Do you have any place and tools to build your own from scratch? For $350 you could easily build a simple 8 ft ply dingy from a couple sheets of wood. I'd use the raw material cost of building your own as a starting offer.

--Brian

That's the problem. I don't..

[davidagage]

Will you stow her on board Airlie or tow behind when underway? She may be bit big for on board?

[Thorne]

What's the story on the fasteners? If they ALL need replacing, you could probably build from new easier than drilling out and replacing every fastener.

If just a few, where are they and how badly decayed/broken?

[john l]

are those clench nails on the half lap bottom boards?
i'm not sure about removing them without damaging the boards.
you might be able to tighten them up with a mallet and mandrel.
arounf the perimeter it looks like the are ring nails. there you might be better off driving new nails in between the existing ones and driving the exisitng ones a bit deeper and filling with epoxy.

[ishmael]

It could be OK, Jaimie. It looks rather neglected, but with good construction that can work out. Give it another good poke before you decide. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish. After you get through refastening and replacing bits, a grand for a dink in better shape might seem reasonable.;)

P.S. Are you planing on hauling the boat aboard? Think about clinker if you are.

[S.V. Airlie]

Will you stow her on board Airlie or tow behind when underway? She may be bit big for on board?

Towed David. With the skylight under the boom, no room for anything but an inflatable..I don't want an inflatable...:eek::eek:

[Bark]

Jamie:

Not sure where you're located these days, but if you get back to the Chesapeake Bay anytime soon you may want to take a look at this dinghy being offered by the CBMM for $600. I think it even has a sailing rig. I'd seriously consider it if it was a bit smaller ... Benhttp://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL483/8634233/16009429/308547170.jpg
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[john l]

nice! i'd be interested in that one myself if jamie isn't.

[S.V. Airlie]

the nails are actually in good shape. Pulled a few out to check. Copper..
There are a few screws ( bronze ) there as well.
I do agree it looks a little rough but it is cedar which doesn't rot so there is none of that. The transom consists of two boards. One will need to be replaced.
I think I'll sit on this over the weekend and probably, if I do make an offer, give him 200.00.
I don't think he will accept that though. Which means back to the drawing board.

Bark, check your pms.

[Bark]

Here's the link:

http://cbmm.org/boats-for-sale.html

Scroll to the bottom. Odd description of size, but I spoke with the museum guy and was told it's around 12 feet. Exactly what I'm looking for, except about four feet too long ...

Ben

[S.V. Airlie]

Thanks for the link Ben

[rbgarr]

The 'skeg' on the bottom at the bow looks like it would cause a problem towing. I imagine the boat would shear off repeatedly when that skeg hangs up on waves. But perhaps you tow your dinghy snugged up close to the stern or on a short bridle?

[JBreeze]

How about a boat building party?

Surely there are enough people in the NE that would be willing to spend a day on a spring weekend to put together a nice S&G tender pretty fast.

Hell, I'll even come for 1-2 days.....the boat can be completed long before the summer.

You buy the materials, we'll bring the beer.

(PS the boat in the picture looks like too much work).

[Bob Cleek]

I've seen better full of geraniums. She's not the best shape for towing anyway. Keep your eyes open. Homeless dinks are like streetcars, there's always another one coming along in fifteen minutes. While you are at it, consider her weight, particularly if you plan to tow, and what it might be worth after you fix it up. The other dinghy pictured for six hundred is probably a much better investment in time and money. Look for something like that.

[Tom Hunter]

Price aside, that looks more like a pond or harbor boat than a dingy you want to tow at sea. Not much flare in the bow at all, and the skeg forward - skeg aft makes me think it had tracking problems as built. I'm not certain, but I bet it will want to wander all over the place under tow. Plus the stern looks like it was built for an outboard and will pull a lot of water along.

[Mrleft8]

It' a bit....... Flat bottomed and wide for a tender don't you think? Prolly work well with your seagull strapped to it's transom, but I wouldn't want to be rowing it across a harbor in a stiff headwind.
In my humble opinion. you need something a little smaller and with more shape, like what we talked about me building for you last autumn, when I had enough time to build it for you before the start of this year's boating season..... What's wrong with the one that you got for free from a fellow forumite?

[Ian McColgin]

I'd be hard pressed to recommend that skiff even if free.

Anyway, first thing is that you're a schoonerman now. You'll be sailing in conditions that the dink will not love. Accept no tender that won'd fit on the coachroof between the masts.

This probably means a pram shape with the aft transom having a dished shape cutout/insert that allows it to fit down low enough for the boom to pass.

Anyway, not that odd flattie.

G'luck

[Thad Van Gilder]

I would offer a hundred!!!! no more!

-Thad

[Lew Barrett]

I'd walk as I'm with the "not looking good" crowd. It looks heavy, worn, needing much work, poorly shaped and sized for your purpose, and expensive for what it is.
Cedar is not "rot proof." Nothing organic is "rot proof." It's just a matter of resistance. Many cedars offer good rot resistance. But regardless, that thing's a scow. A gentleman of your fine sensibilities deserves better, and so do the fine ladies you'll be rowing about in your tender.

[willmarsh3]

I can't say much about the cedar dinghy pictured at the top of the thread except that it looks to be near the end of its life.

As for other thoughts I have a 11' shellback dinghy that I tow behind my 32' ketch on cruises. The good things are it tracks wonderfully, carries alot and doesn't put up much tension on the towing line. The bad thing is it weighs nearly 100 lbs so is rather inconvenient to carry out of the water. I'm seriously considering building a smaller one - maybe a folding one such as is offered here:

http://www.boats.com/news-reviews/article/deck-friendly-dinghies

Several years ago I went to the boat festival held in St. Michaels every two years. They had several dinghies for auction.

[Paul Fitzgerald]

Tell him he is dreaming.

[Bill R]

Hey Jamie- what about one of the Compass Project skiffs?

New (student built) and supports a good cause?

[Gary E]

Whut???...You want MORE WORK???

That first one reminds me of a derilict I brot home as a kid and Dad said, "Where'd you get the firewood?"
The second one with it's round bilge will most likely get you swimming every time you get in it...

Get an inflateable,,, you'l learn to like it...

[Paul Pless]

A gentleman of your fine sensibilities deserves better, and so do the fine ladies you'll be rowing about in your tender.Yup, get lefty (the rivet king) to build you a fine lapstrake job, or, er, um, buy an inflatable:eek::eek:

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Junk. there was a beautiful acorn for sail on a forum post on the east coast for 1500 bucks. Cheap, you couldn't build it for that... it came with the sail kit too I think.

[S B]

$350? you would be hard pressed to get a bottle of rum for it here.

[P.L.Lenihan]

Jamie,
$350 can buy alot of what you would need to throw together a nice stitch -n-glue dinghy.Like this one by Bolger:
http://www.instantboats.com/rnymph.htm

Get creative with the building of it too. It shouldn't be all that hard to find a short,quick space to cut the panel shapes. Then you just have to set up a couple of horses on the dock(or on the cabin roof!) and wire the thing together,do the epoxy thing,throw a cheap plastic tarp over it and let it cure. Just being half-way organized, the whole thing could be done in a few days at most.
Another idea for ya, organize a building-bee whereby a few close by forumites drop by with tools and git at it pronto. You supply the liquid refreshment. You'd be surprised just how quickly the thing will go together( all the actual construction and assembly can be done in one day) and it will be brand spanking new to boot :)

As to the one you are contemplating......run,don't walk.....more grief then it is worth or at least as much effort as snapping a stitch-n-glue dinghy together will be just to make it right.

Good Luck!

Peter

[rbgarr]

Forget the refastening and dip the whole thing in Joe's Sani-Tred!!

[johngsandusky]

There's a plywood dory in CT on craigslist. It's in a subsection of the NYC list. $250. Looks like a bolger light dory. The guy doesn't know what it is, he calls it a pram, and lists it as "boat 16' ". It's in Westport. Happy hunting.

[Lew Barrett]

$350? you would be hard pressed to get a bottle of rum for it here.

You are being unkind to the rum!:D