looking for design using specific techniques (veneers and fiberglass)

[thor2002]

Hi all,

I have pretty big plans to build a nice daysailer (I would love to build the Spitfire, as featured in the april2008 issue of WB). Before I start on a boat of this size (I can't build it close to home) and with limited experience with boat building, I got some good advice: startwith a smaller boat to get used to the techniques used in that boat.
For the few readers who missed the article, the boat mentioned is build up of strip planking with layers of diagonal veneers, covered with fiberglass set in epoxy. This fiberglass/epoxy business is no problem: I build a glider wing with that technique so I don' worry about those things.
But my question is this: Do you know of a plan/design, using this way of building the hull, not to long (is 15 foot a 'regular' size??), preferably similar looking? I already read through a lot of postings stating it isn't easy to downscale a plan by just throwing the desing on the xerox, chose a smaller scalefactor and push the big green button....(If only it would be that easy, hE?)

Looking forward to see some nice design! Meanwile I wil keep looking as well!

[dennisbur]

I'm really fond of Joel White's 23 foot centerboard sloop. It's designed to be cold-molded. see the Wooden boat Store plans. to see it in action go to www.edeyandduff.com (http://www.edeyandduff.com)

[JimD]

You don't often see dinghys that call for both strips and veneers. Usually one or the other as such small boats don't require such heavy bullet proof construction. You might want to look at Paul Gartside's designs as many of his larger boats are strip and veneer, and it seems to be a preferred building method: http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail.php#skyplan

Spitfire:

http://www.frenchwebb.com/images/2.07_Updates/SpitfireSailPlan.jpg

http://www.frenchwebb.com/images/2.07_Updates/spitfire/spitfire2_1(450).png

And Gartside's Jessie:

Tomales Bay One-Design "Jessie", Design #113

Construction: Double skin on bent frames

This is another design that was built in our shop. Because she was designed for California conditions, we planked her double skin on bent frames, to ensure stability of the wood, while preserving a traditional feel. Planking is red cedar. The inner skin is about 1/8 inch and runs on a 45 degree diagonal. The outer layer is about 1/4 inch thick and is laid fore and aft in epoxy glue. Decks are similar construction, double skin cedar with a 4oz glass skin.
This is an intricate piece of work and a good deal more time-consuming than single skin construction, but the result is very pleasing and should stand up well without a burden of maintenance.
See Custom Building Projects (http://www.gartsideboats.com/jessie.php) for construction and sailing photos.
http://www.gartsideboats.com/pgimages/jesplancopy.JPG Specifications for 15 ft sailing dinghy "Jessie"Length15 ft 0 inBeam5 ft 10 inDraft3 ft 7 in (CB down)Weight600 lbsSailing rigGunter sloopSail area116 sq. ftBuilding time1000 hoursSkill levelHighPrice$195 Canadian fundsDesign #1134 Sheets

Perhaps you could ask Paul about building a design like Jessie in strip and veneer as it wouldn't be too great a departure from the planned building method. Open the link in blue type above for custom building projects.

[thor2002]

Dennisbur: INdeed, the sakonnet23 does have the looks I like! 'No' transom, slender hull...Darn, I might have to persuade the 'missus to give up the garden....:D

I'll have to get out the tapemeasure to figure out if it would fit...


JimD: I agree, it might sound strange to build a small vessel with 'overdimensioned' techniques, but the whole purpose of this excercise would be to get to know the mentioned methodes (veneers, glassfiber etc) on building a boat. And while giving it a try, why not on a boat that is also pleasing to the eye? (Besides, it might work motivating!)


Thor2002

[dennisbur]

Maybe if you told her you were making a new garden planter?

[JimD]

JimD: I agree, it might sound strange to build a small vessel with 'overdimensioned' techniques, but the whole purpose of this excercise would be to get to know the mentioned methodes (veneers, glassfiber etc) on building a boat. And while giving it a try, why not on a boat that is also pleasing to the eye? (Besides, it might work motivating!)


Thor2002

It doesn't seem strange at all. It makes good sense. It's just that you may have a hard time finding what you want.

[thor2002]

@ Dennisbur::D...I just wonder. How long would it take her to figure things out, and how long can I persist that ' those are arches for roses, dear, and it is just coincidence they look like crosssections of a boat...

[dennisbur]

When she's looking through the glare of that large 3 carat diamond ring you just bought her she'll see whatever you want her to.

Isn't love grand!

[Flying Orca]

It's even grander when the girl understands that boats are much better than diamonds. :D