William Garden's Cat Schooner, "Boat"

[Rigadog]

I love the profile of this but would like it a bit longer. How much could it be stretched? I'd also want a CB instead of keel.

Bill Garden produced a larger version of June Bug named BOAT and it islisted at WoodenBoat Store (http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=400-130)design catalog as #130. Again the construction is plywood over sawn frame. Boat’s Particulars: LOA 19’, LWL 17’ 4”, Beam 7’, Draft 2’ 4”, Displ. 2,384 Lbs., Sail Area 210 sq. ft.

http://www.smallboatforum.com/SBF%20Image%20File/BOAT.gif

[JimD]

Rigadog, I've always liked it, too. Stretch it? Ask the designer. Here's a Karl Stambaugh 18 foot centerboarder that was stretched to 21, apparently with Karl's blessing. Why not built it, change the cabin, change the rig, change the sheer line? Sorry, not helpful. But I really do like the Garden design:

http://www.cmdboats.com/images/cb21_photo.jpg

[TerryLL]

The 23' Norwalk Island Sharpie cat-ketch might be worth considering.

[Boatsmith]

Hi, This type of design seems like it would be something Reuel Parker would be very good at doing.He says he has built enough boats now and would like to just design/consult. He can be tricky to get a hold of.He's working on his house in Maine.He normaly will respond weekly to emails.But not always.If your serious and can't contact him let me know and Imight be able to help you. Regards, David

[Rigadog]

Thanks. I have traded some emails with Mr. Parker in the past. Has he finished his last build, the San Juan enlarged sharpie? I recently sent him an email about modifying his Egret design so it can have a raised deck, but haven't heard back from him.

[Boatsmith]

Hey, no the San Jaun 45 is shrinkwrapped for the summer. Reuel should be back in south Fl in Oct. He can be difficult to reach sometimes.Very nice looking boat and a little lomger would just be that much cooler. David

[dm_scott]

If I was thinking of either "Boat" or "June Bug", I would have to consider "Sandpiper" too!!

http://www.woodenboat.com/forum//showthread.php?t=49028

[Rigadog]

If I was thinking of either "Boat" or "June Bug", I would have to consider "Sandpiper" too!!

http://www.woodenboat.com/forum//showthread.php?t=49028


I like it but wish it had a CB.

[JimD]

Glen-L's beautiful 21 foot centerboard sharpie Fancy Free

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/sailboat-images/dsn-ffrb2.jpg

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/sailboat/sailboat-images/dsn-ffrb.jpg

[Phorcys]

A few months ago I had a sickness that said building a wooden boat would be a great idea. For some reason Mr. Garden's "Boat" seemed the ideal cure

Skip forward to a couple nights ago. What I'd thought was acute turned out to be a chronic affliction, so I began the process of setting up the jig. I'm still working on puzzling out some of the measurements; it seems some of the jig drawings are randomly ~1/4 - 1/2 optimistic. But then, I might just be holding my mouth wrong when I measure them for the third time.

Any advice is welcome and appreciated, especially from those who might have have the same strain of boat flu of which I'm showing symptoms.

[TerryLL]

More information would be a great help. Did you buy the plans for Bill Garden's Boat from Wooden Boat? Did you loft it full size? Photos are always a big help.

[Phorcys]

Yup, from Wooden Boat. Haven't started the lofting process at all, though I'll admit it does seem a mite odd to loft a jig. I suppose it's always a possibility, though.

[TerryLL]

That's what confused me about your first post. Normal method is to loft first, build the frames or moulds from the loft, and then build a jig suitable for the frames/moulds. Bear in mind that I haven't seen the plans for this particular boat, so I don't know what Bill suggests.

[rbgarr]

Bill Garden designed Itatae a 27' cat schooner, shown on p. 35 in his book Yacht Designs. It doesn't have a cb either, however.

I love the profile of this but would like it a bit longer. How much could it be stretched? I'd also want a CB instead of keel.
Boat’s Particulars: LOA 19’, LWL 17’ 4”, Beam 7’, Draft 2’ 4”, Displ. 2,384 Lbs., Sail Area 210 sq. ft.

http://www.smallboatforum.com/SBF%20Image%20File/BOAT.gif

[Phorcys]

Thanks, Terry. Truly, I'm new to the entire process.

In the plans there are five frames, detailed over six pages. All are to be sawn from 1 1/2" stock, either 3 1/2", 5 1/2", or 7 1/2". On page six of the plans is a diagram of the jig, including the offsets. It shows, however, that the stern actually sits on part of the jig, so I'm being a bit retentive about ensuring that I have the measurements noted appropriately.

Mr. Garden is far more the designer than I am a builder, thus marginal notes are critical to me. I was hoping to stumble on someone who may have already built "Boat". There seem to be few people afflicted with the builder bug in central MO. There's no local boat shop to stick my head in and ask. Maybe I'd do better in the "Building/Repair" forum. :)

[TerryLL]

You're not likely to find a deeper pool of boatbuilding talent than here on the forum. I don't know of anyone who has built Boat, but there are plenty of folks here who can help you with every aspect of your build. Just ask. Again, pics are always welcome. If you don't know how to post pics, just ask. We have a resident expert named Thorne who will help you figure it all out. Lots of beginners land here struggling with their first build. This is the right place.

[Phorcys]

After much measuring, re-measuring, and measuring again, I marked and cut a jig last night. It now lives inconveniently on the west side of my small garage, taunting me to finish. Thanks, Terry. Some of your comments helped clear up my thinking about how to proceed in that regard. Remarkably, everything came out square, level, and of the proper offset.

I'm thinking about tracing all of my paper-lofted bits for the frames onto hardboard, then using those as a guide before actually making any cuts into wood, marking which frame they are for and where they fit. Is there another method I should consider?

Thanks.

[TerryLL]

Paper patterns can sometimes lead you into the abyss, as they expand and contract with changes in humidity. Hardboard patters, or thin ply is good. Just be sure to check the patters against the loft for accuracy.