Redwing Sharpie Schooner info Please

[Zane Lewis]

Hi,
Some time ago a member sent me this image and some comments about his boat.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/zqlewis/Odds%20and%20sods/Redwing45ftSharpieSchooner.jpg

Unfortunatly I have lost that info. Was it Mickey Lake??

Any way I would be very interested in some more details such as length, beam, draft, sail areas, displacement, ballast, auxillary power.

Information about sailing charateristic's, designer etc.

And of course more pictures.

My interest is that Redwing is very close in size and shape to my design project and there are very few designs of this type around to bench mark off.
I have the plans of Chapells 36ft sharpie schooner from his book and the 36 ft and 38 ft vee bottom sharpie schooners from the Smithsonian.
They are all approx 36ft with the 36ft one having a little more flare and lighter displacement due to the Chines(sp) being higher.

thanks Zane

[bamamick]

That's my boat (at least for the time being).

She is 40' lod with a 6' sprit. Guy named Allen Miller designed and built her off of some lines from a boat built in the late 1800's.

That's about all I know for certain but I can take a tape next time I'm down there and look at her.

Mickey Lake

[Paul Pless]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/PaulPless/ry3D320.jpg

[Zane Lewis]

Thanks for the replys.
I would love to see some more photo's interia and extria shoots.

Comments about sailing capability, sail area and performance.

Zane

[Paul Pless]

I've got another half dozen pics at home, but it'll be another week or so before I get there.

[bamamick]

Zane; sorry to have been delayed.

My boat draws 3'6" with the board all the way down. 18" with it up. When we had her trucked up here the driver said she weighed between 6-7 thousand pounds. I really don't know. She has no head except for a porta-potti, no 'systems' whatsoever, really. I often joke that she is a 40' Thistle, a big daysailor. She has one vee berth beginning about four feet back from the bow, some cabinets for storage, and that's it. iirc the spars are 26' long. That seems about right.

As far as performance goes, she's fast. Allen used to sail her in the schooner races and from what I gather in light to moderate the only thing that would touch her was the replica of 'America'. He had her given a rating for the evening club races and they rated her the same as a J/24. In anything over 10 she is seriously overcanvassed and we drop the foresail. Honestly, in anything over ten she screams along like bloody murder and the 'fun' of sailing her changes into something completely different. It was recommended that I put reefing points in the main but haven't done so as of yet. I couldn't tell you how close she will lay to the wind because I haven't ever really paid attention. It's not her best point of sail, I know that.

The beam I couldn't tell you and don't want to guess at. She is pretty narrow and the cabin sides make it an even more narrow path to get ot the bow if you go that way.

More when I can think of it. Oh yeah, a 25 horse Perkins was in there when we got her. Since deceased. She's got a Yanmar of comparable size in there no but I don't believe it is a 25. Slightly smaller, iirc (a friend fo mine put it in for me and we have run it exactly......once).

Mickey Lake

[Zane Lewis]

Hi Paul, Mickey, I take it that Paul had Redwing before you Mickey. I'm looking forward to seeing those other photos when you get time to post them.

From Paul's photo I take it that she is a true traditional flat bottomed sharpie.
Those boom's look to be about as low as you can get them. Are they an issue for sitting crew when tacking/gybing or only if standing up.
When anchored would you have to top the main boom up to give head room in the cockpit?

How much head room would you have at the max point. 5' ? (In the Cabin)

Whats the logic with the bat wing type foresail appart from saving a halyard as I guess that a gaff or that high roach sail would have simalar issues with sag if suitable down force on the sheets is not present.
From you photo it looks to work well in giving an even air flow onto the main luff up to the gaff.
Do you have the main and foresail sheets on tracks or a form of quarter sheeting.

The jib looks like it could be a handfull for a light hull both size wise and being so far forward. Have you ever though about having a smaller inner of the stem head?

Just based on the spar length of 26 ft and that photo it would suggests about 200, 150 and 125sqft in the main, foresail and the jib for approx 475 sqft. I can easliy understand this being 150sqft too much in 20knts. which is 4x the wind loading of 10 knts.
Sorry I'm sort of trying to answer my own questions without waiting for the correct answers.
How does the 25 hp move her. What about into a head wind and sea way. What sort of shaft arrangement does she have, folding or fixed prop. 25hp sounds like a lot for a 6-7000 lb boat but I gues it's windage you have to overcome. It's a simalar size to what I'd like to use. Dad has 30hp in his 34ft 18,000 lb yawl and she has lots of windage in comparison. Only once has this not been enough.
Zane

[Paul Pless]

No Zane, I never owned her. Mickey only lives a couple hours from and he gave a tour of her one day. I hope to get to go out on her someday, cause she looks wicked fast.

I'm still in yankeeland but when I get home next week sometime I'll get those pics up.

[bamamick]

Zane, whew. I had to run a hard copy so that I could remember all of this.

I bought the boat from the original owner. Paul came down to visit one time and took the photos.

She is not a flat bottomed sharpie. She is a semi-vee to about a quarter of her length and then she flattens out. The booms are no problem at that height. You might want to lift the main a little while in-harbor to make it easier to get around the cockpit and such.

Head room? What's head room? Honestly, it must be between four and five feet. I am pretty bent over in there. When I first saw her I did not like the cabin. I thought that it was too high, and that the boat would have looked much better with a lower house on it. After owning her for about four years now I can see why it is the way it is. It WOULD have looked better, but you'd have had to crawl up front anytime you wanted to go up there, and it IS a cruising boat, not a racer.

I always assumed that the bat-wing was to increase the sail area to as big an amount as is possible, but I really don't know. It works. We do not have any tracks at all on this boat. The foresail is led through one block back to the cockpit and cleats off on a belaying pin. The main cleats off at the back of the cockpit on a wooden cowhorn. There is nothing modern whatsoever about this boat. It is not very easy to handle in even the lightest of conditions, though she does sail very well.

I have never considered changing the sail plan. I could see rigging a jib staysail for light air, though.

Under power she moves along great. The only problem is that she wallows like crazy in the Mobile Bay seas when under power. It is not at all a pleasant experience. She also does not do well at making tight turns either under power or sail. The small barn door rudder might not have enough oomph?

This is basically a great boat for what I wanted her for. If I only had the time there's no end to the adventures we could have had in her. Right now she's for sale because I just don't have that valuable time. Who knows? Maybe next year?

Mickey Lake

[Zane Lewis]

bum bum,
bad timing now I know as we are all about off on our annual NZ shut the country down for summer break.
just asking Paul if he's had a chance to find any more pictures. Even if you just want to send then as email rather than post them here I can give you my email address off line. Send me a PM if you wish.
Cheer's
Zane