Long Point

[bhackford]

I am going to be building a Long Point by Thomas Hill. I have a few questions since this is my first boat. How should two pieces of 3/4 ply be joined to make 1 1/2 ply? How should the lapstrakes be joined, epoxy only? No glass just epoxy the edges so there is no swelling? What type of screws are best? I always thought screws under epoxy worked there way out like a drywall pop? Thanks

[Thorne]

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/300708.jpghttp://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/325111.jpg http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/325116.jpg http://www.thomasjhillboatdesigns.com/images/book_cover_tn.jpg

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/Clinker-Plywood-BB-Manual/productinfo/325%2D116/

Your questions are far too basic for us to answer them in any effective manner. This should not be taken to mean you are dumb or shouldn't build a boat -- just means they are too basic to answer in anything shorter than 1000 words, many of which will then have to be defined.

Picture a fellow showing up at an advanced carpentry class and asking how a claw hammer works...he needs to learn the basics first, gotta walk before you run, etc...

Order one or more of the above books and read it -- then you'll be more familiar with the nautical terms, building concepts and associated costs to start making decisions on how to build your Long Point.

Do you have the plans? They should indicate some of the answers to the questions you ask above. Tom is also supposed to be very responsive to questions from builders.

Some of the others here may try to answer your questions and more power to 'em, but don't get frustrated if the answers are more confusing than the question...or contain more questions that you'll have to answer before we can answer yours.

OK, just so I don't seem too curmudgeonly I'll answer them as asked: glued with epoxy, yes thickened epoxy only, no glass, silicon bronze, screws stay put when properly installed.

Best of luck - great choice of boat design!
http://www.thomasjhillboatdesigns.com/images/long_point_01.jpg

[holzbt]

The bottom will be two layers of 3/4" that are just laminated together on the boat. You will have to scarf 2 sheets together to get a 4' x 16' sheet. You will need 2 of these (A total of four 4' x 8' x 3/4" sheets). The first layer is fastened to the chines and transom. The second layer will just be glued to the first layer. You will also fasten this to the chines and transom. The rest can be either weighted with sandbags or such or can be screwed/nailed to the first. Once the epoxy is cured the mechanical fasteners are redundant.

The laps are also epoxied. You will fasten through the laps into the side frames with screws. In between the frames you should clamp or temporarily screw until the epoxy cures.

[kenjamin]

Light on technical advice: use high quality marine silicon bronze screws.

Heavy on inspiration:

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/Longpoint0445.jpg

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/Longpoint0515.jpg

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/Longpoint0526.jpg

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/Longpoint0538.jpg

http://ford.physics.fsu.edu/Longpoint1354jpghttp://ford.physics.fsu.edu/Longpoint1354.jpg

The first four were shot in 2007 and last shot was in 2008 – all at Mystic Seaport WoodenBoat Shows. Looks like he went from a Honda to a Yamaha or maybe it's an entirely different boat (interesting.) ENJOY!

[Robert W. Long]

Not to hijack this but what advantage would this boat have over a Simmons?

[kenjamin]

With its flat bottom it probably will plane sooner with less power than the Simmons, have higher initial stability, and almost as seaworthy although with some pounding in a chop due to the flat bottom. The question is how much will you notice the pounding underneath that 1 and 1/2 inches of slab for a bottom it has. Can't answer that one but maybe someone else will chime in. They are both great boats for fishing.

[KylBak]

Hey, I took those pictures! The first 4 at least. The last one is not the same boat. The 1st 4 are of a boat build and used by Tom Hill himself. The last one was in the "boats I built" section of the 2008 Mystic show. Both amazing looking boats. I almost started building one of these boats myself but at the last minute started building an Old Wharf Dory lumber yard skiff. As far as a comparasion to a Simmons, I wouldn't really compare the two. The Long Point is a much smaller and lighter boat. The long point is 16' long and 5'2" beam if I remember correctly. Advantages? It will plane easier, with less power (Tom Hill says 15hp is plenty for his boat). It will also be faster and probably more easily built, as well as more easily maintained.

Kyle

[kenjamin]

Kyle, sorry for stealing your pictures. Because they had frame numbers, I thought I had shot them. I was there at the show and took a ton of pictures in '07.

At an Adobe PhotoShop convention I learned that to have an effective copyright (when you can recover court costs) you must register your copyright with the U.S. Copyright Office. It costs about $75 but can apply to a group of photos (I think). Anyway if you truly want to retain the rights to your photos, you should look into what registration of your copyright achieves. I'm pretty sure if you make them available to the general public on the internet (especially with no sign of copyright) then you can pretty well kiss them goodbye.

In any case, I will not use them if you do not want me to.

[spirit]

Does anyone know where to get those nice bronze chocks that Tom used?

[KylBak]

Kenjamin, you're kidding right? It doesn't bother me in the least that you used my pics. Use them any way you like. The exclamination in my post was simply excitment that someone else enjoyed the pics enough to save them. I originally posted them on this board hoping just that would happen. No hard feelings! Spirit, I looked (not very hard though) for bronze chocks like those in the pics but couldn't find any. Tom Hills website may help you. http://www.thomasjhillboatdesigns.com Check the "resources" section.
Kyle

[amcvt]

Does anyone know where to get those nice bronze chocks that Tom used?

R&W carries chocks similar to those on Tom's boat made by Davey & Co. Style 1126 in the "Deck Hardware and Exterior Fittings" catalog looks about right.
http://www.rwrope.com/traditional_rigging/davey&co.htm