Gollywobbler

[sidsail]

Hi All,
I am thinking of having a gollywobbler built for the schooner and wondering if anyone has thoughts on using this sail and the pros and cons of having one or any thoughts in general. I sail somewhat shorthanded and wondering of the feasibility of using it on long trade wind passages such as crossing the Pacific. Magnolia is 56ft on deck and displaces 30 tons. The four lowers give me about 1800 square feet of sail area. Also a photo of the sails. please forgive the set of the fisherman.
http://picasaweb.google.com/schoonermagnolia/SchoonerSails?feat=directlink

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[Jay Greer]

A gollywobbler will make you fly. You might also want to consider a gollyker, a bigger sail that is attached both at the fore and main trucks and sheets to the after end of the main boom. The main is usually dropped when flying this. You can also fly a spinnaker, tall boy and a blooper when flying a gollyker.
Jay

[sidsail]

Thanks Jay, I am also considering an assymetrical spinnaker. Sid

[Jay Greer]

An assym with a dousing sock takes the curse out of foredeck mayhem. However, it is intended for broad reaching. If you intend to run dead down wind, a traditional spinnaker will be more efficient. An assym becomes advantages as soon as the run becomes a slight reach and the blooper won't carry. If you can afford it, one of each is the ultimate. Other wise I would opt for the assym.
Jay

[StevenBauer]

Nothing to add knowledgewise but I thought I'd post the pics. :D

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_TPsCP0-DwMA/SbVXskvIDjI/AAAAAAAADhE/OrsJltzz8Vg/s1152/P1030072.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_TPsCP0-DwMA/SbVX21_s8eI/AAAAAAAADhM/fCTLYSkWo_M/s1152/P1030056.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_TPsCP0-DwMA/SbVX9Tq_MtI/AAAAAAAADhU/CP7KDIbs7gs/s1152/P1030046.JPG

What a beauty, Sid! Wow!


Steven

[John B]

Sails in the centre of a boat seem to punch above their weight to me. I 'm still amazed after two years by the power generated by the ketch equivalent , the mizzen staysail. And so simple to operate and handle.

[Michael Beckman]

As long as you aren't tacking the thing every 5 minutes in a race you'll probably enjoy it. One thing I've experienced with them is that because they cover most of the boat, they have a pretty high potential to snag something sharp and explode.

[Hwyl]

For downwind work, I'd tend to go with an asymmetric, especially if you get the kind with a soft built in furler, so it all rolls into a stowable sausage. They're much easier than a sock. If you had it cut as a code zero you could get some major area.

I do love gollys however, but they are a lot of work, and would consider, something between the fisherman you have and a deck sweeping golly

[rbgarr]

A gollywobbler will make you fly. You might also want to consider a gollyker, a bigger sail that is attached both at the fore and main trucks and sheets to the after end of the main boom.

I was under the impression that a gollywobbler is as you describe the gollyker. Where does the gollywobbler attach then and what part of the sailplan does it cover?
Thanks!

[floatingkiwi]

Magnolia is beautiful. Are you sure you can better her?

[Jay Greer]

On "Wanderlure II" our Gollyker was tacked to the end of the bow sprit and sheeted to the end of the main boom it was a double headed sail like the gollywobbler with a hoist on both the main and the fore. The gollywobbler was tacked near the foot of the fore. The gollyker had a much longer foot and was impossible to gybe without being taken down and reset. That is why it was primarily used almost dead down wind.
Jay
Jay

[rbgarr]

Got it. Must be monstrous!

[Paul Pless]

Jay, don't you still owe us some pics of that schooner?;):)

[Jay Greer]

Jay, don't you still owe us some pics of that schooner?;):)
Yes I do. But, bear in mind that they are in slide form and, packed away in storage boxes. There are thousands of slides. So there will be a lot of editing. Then they must be scanned in order to be put in the computer.
Right now I am putting up a shop building and involved with five boat restorations as well as working on a book and several articles for WB. I will try to take time to go through the slides when I am back in PT.
Fair Winds,
Jay

[Ian McColgin]

I've played with a golly but never got one for Goblin as the range of useful wind is lighter than our norm. Also, Goblin had a huge fisherman on her staysail rig so it did not seem that needed. Mya occasionally sets her smallish golly to good effect if the wind is undr 15 knots.

[MAGIC's Craig]

Sidsail:

Vicky and I usually sail and race MAGIC without crew and we manage our golly (carefully) both offshore and in the Pacifc Northwest channels. Here is a shot taken by Michael Berman of us ghosting along in Trincommali Channel, British Columbia.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1923/8/42/1408483912/n1408483912_206854_9846.jpg

We set it "flying", hoisting both the peak and throat golly halyards at the same time. It tacks down at the base of the foremast utilizing a quick-and-cheerful tackle which I bowse tight to pull the luff tight toward the foremast and it sheets to the rear quarter via a fairlead block hung on the mainsheet bail. As long as conditions remain gentle, handing it in the lee of the main and/or fores'l is pretty straightforward. However, offshore, we are far more cautious with it because it can, as Michael indicated, snag easily and the rolling of the boat offshore can tend to flail it about a bit just when you do not need "the help". And, indeed, it can be a very busy bit of work for two people to repeatedly gybe the thing in a race when the legs are short.

Your MAGNOLIA is considerably larger than our MAGIC (40' LOD and 13 tons - working SA is 1005 sq.ft), so I imagine a Golly for her would be quite a large sail with considerably larger forces involved when the wind gets gusty. On TALOFA years ago, I was lifted clean off the deck by a mere fisherman stays'l and "flogged about a bit". Not a comfortable feeling when one is 2,000 miles from anywhere! :(

We rarely run dead downwind, especially offshore, preferring to keep her heated up on broadreaches and gybe every couple of days, so we have found an Assym to be a very useful sail as well.

YMMV, of course.

Craig and Vicky Johnsen

[TimmS]

Sid, Great photos of a beautiful boat! Thanks

[sidsail]

Thanks for the comments and kind words.. Today I gave Dave Bierig, who cut the other sails, the go ahead on an asymmetrical spinnaker..Which I fugre will get more use than the gollywobbler.. Magnolia is in Antigua now and I plan to participate in the Antigua Classic Week and then sail her to the Baltic Sea...

[TonyH]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1923/8/42/1408483912/n1408483912_206854_9846.jpg



Craig, I've said it before - MAGIC is just such a lovely schooner.

Dying of envy here!:D

MAGNOLIA is lovely too - a big schooner, she must be quite a handful to sail shorthanded - I'm thinking when the wind and sea start picking up around 2 am on a moonless night with a lee shore ....:eek:

[sidsail]

Craig, I've said it before - MAGIC is just such a lovely schooner.

Dying of envy here!:D

MAGNOLIA is lovely too - a big schooner, she must be quite a handful to sail shorthanded - I'm thinking when the wind and sea start picking up around 2 am on a moonless night with a lee shore ....:eek:
I was worried that Magnolia would be handful to sail shorthandd but on the trip from Maine to Grenada there were two of us and it was no problem.. Life was made easier with self steering, roller furling headsail and harken batcar system on the fore and main.. At 735 sq. ft. I would tend to reef the main early.. I imagine any sailboat on a lee shore in a blow is a bummer.. Three people on a crossing would be ideal..Maybe a fourth

[MAGIC's Craig]

Tony:

Thanks for the compliment for MAGIC. Here is another shot of the same rig, close-reaching back from Hawaii one light-wind day with a balance reef in the main:

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1923/8/42/1408483912/n1408483912_206850_8658.jpg

Colors are a bit wacky, though...hmmm

Craig

[Hwyl]

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