8.99, a couple of hours, three years later...

[erster]

The last couple of days I have been cleaning up the old workhorse and with some free time I decided to freshen up my covering board paints. When I built them I used ash glued to plywood as I wanted the traditional wood look but did not want any real maintainance on bare decks and especially ash. But I wanted the grain that comes with oak and ash to show through the paints.

I used the thickened epoxy pigmented with white pigment for the seams. This way if anyone wanted to strip it down later down the road, this also could be done. I sealed it with varnish and then painted them out. I hope no one suffers any ill affects from viewing this thread.;):p Oh, the varnish you ask? Thats Helmsman Minwax satin, zero issues, little maintainance too. The Energizer bunny would be proud!

This is what I did in the beginning.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Bateau1/23sealercoatbow-3.jpg

I then painted out the ash and freshen the decks up with my good old standby fake Kirby's paint XO Rust. Its as tough as anything in enamel I have ever found and continue to also use it on all wooden hulls.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Bateau1/DSC05694.jpg

Oh, the temporary rig on the rudder tiller cap, that continues to give zero problems, for anyone that remembers that episode.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Bateau1/DSC05695.jpg

[Tar Devil]

What a sweetheart of a boat!

[stevedwyer]

So what's the $8.99?

[RFNK]

I'm guessing it's what was paid for the varnish :confused: Rick

[erster]

I guess I took for granted that most people that have at least one boat under their belt buy topcoat and paints for trim in quart containers.


.X-O Rust Oil Based Interior/Exterior Enamel- Available in gallons, quarts, 1/2 pints, and 12 OZ spray cans of various colors. Gals $26.99, Qts $8.99, 1/2 Pts $3.99, Sprays $3.99




The varnish price runs 35 a gallon which I buy and then transfer to quart cans for longivity. This deals with numerous issues that most experienced people have dealt with in finish products sknning over in cans.

[Jim Ledger]

Real Kirbys gloss enamel would have developed a nice flat patina, about two years ago. Which, of course, is what you pay for.

Nice try, though, Mike.;)

[erster]

Real Kirbys gloss enamel would have developed a nice flat patina, about two years ago. Which, of course, is what you pay for.

Nice try, though, Mike.;)
I am reminded of boat ads that includes:

This boat has potential.
You know that the boat needs some work.

But let me translate for others here. Unlike you I do not like weathered paints and finishes and make no excuses for my fantasies on display either.:p

Funny, there is a fix for that too. When I am feeling ambitious, I begin with their satin white when I wish to flatten out gloss paints and custom blend my colors too with the gloss paints which yields a semi gloss finish in new. I also enjoy having a fresh look and surface. Some of us actually use our boats too year round. So after three years I personally have what amounts to nine years of use.:D:p


Some of us also like to stroke the beautifull lines of their ladies. Hopefully you will learn this as you get further along.:p
Actually some of us have to look for something to do on our boats since I also do not have to cork my seams and hold all night watch services too soaking the bottom planks. I knew there was more to my madness now.:cool:

[Jim Ledger]

But let me translate for others here. Unlike you I do not like weathered paints and finishes and make no excuses for my fantasies on display either.:p



Hey, I put one of those winkys up there. Didn't you see it?

If, for some reason, I use gloss, I'd prefer it to stay that way, instead of turning dead flat in ten months.

I'm now faced with the chore of redoing my trim and decks. Maybe your brand is the answer.

[Jim Ledger]

Some of us also like to stroke the beautifull lines of their ladies. Hopefully you will learn this as you get further along.:p
Actually some of us have to look for something to do on our boats since I also do not have to cork my seams and hold all night watch services too soaking the bottom planks. I knew there was more to my madness now.:cool:

What's all this about? :confused:

[erster]

I added all those gremlins too and mean nothing more than just some razzing. I certainly respect and have been following your work to also the point of painting sooner than later. Thats all. But in all seriousness, I am a firm believer in painting and varnishing a boat before the boat needs it. I frankly have not had to fix a single thing or do anything to the boat except a bit of freshening up.
I posted this thread as a matter of fact especially when dealing with numerous issues such as cutting back. The title says it all. Geewizz, some folks should relax a bit. :rolleyes::eek:

[pipefitter]

LOL to faux patina. One has to earn their patina. Extensive usage and the presence of teenagers who haven't quite grown into their feet yet expedites the process. :D
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/tigmaster/P9070037.jpg

Adding a little fish oil to the paint helps too. If for nothing else, it has that "patina" smell to it.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/tigmaster/P7250050.jpg

I need to get busy on mine. I am short on hours spent abusing the finish this year.

[James McMullen]

I think your boat looks nice, erster. Good job.

Love,
--James

[davebrown]

i think something similar that has worked for me is oil based tractor paint from tractor supply warehouse. it's about $7 a quart.

[Yeadon]

Could you post a wider/overall angle photo of your boat?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/Bateau1/23sealercoatbow-3.jpg

I liked this better

FWIW

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/fosterhere/photo-1218.jpg

$230.00 and a couple of hrs. :eek:

[erster]

Ash is not the best down the road. But that is what I had in a light color and so I used it. I also wanted a grainy look that was hardwood. I walk all over it and the deck is thin by comparison too, but laminated to plywood. So paint over was the order of the day which I really like anyway. Its a work boat in many areas, design being at the top of the list.


Brightsides for you boat is a total waste of a dime, IMO. That paint really only works under selected conditions with many coats applied in thin coats. You want pedigree paint, order Kirby's for sure.

Your return for what you doing, covering and protecting your boat from the elements can be done much cheaper. Your process is the same. Sooner or later that boat will need some major stripping Its a guarantee that your seams will crack. Have you ever checked the underwater fasteners since you have owned the boat? I see some major potential issues with the shape of that boat in the area of planks springing off under some of those nasty conditions that you have sailed in over the years. Check the hardware! under water!

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ash is not the best down the road. But that is what I had in a light color and so I used it. I also wanted a grainy look that was hardwood. I walk all over it and the deck is thin by comparison too, but laminated to plywood. So paint over was the order of the day which I really like anyway. Its a work boat in many areas, design being at the top of the list.

Fair enough I was speaking only form my personal esthetic. I still prefer a bright deck


Brightsides for you boat is a total waste of a dime, IMO. That paint really only works under selected conditions with many coats applied in thin coats. You want pedigree paint, order Kirby's for sure.


I use the Briteside for the interior floorboards and seats. I mix it with interlux flattening agent. Yea I Know there are cheeper paints but
#1 I like the color (Grand Banks Beige )
#2 its worn very well over the years.

I Use Petit 3801 off white for the topsides. The reason I used that color is because That is the color she's alwasy been and again I like the color and the look. I use it out of the can and a can last me an entire season including touch ups from scuffs durring the season. Cause all we all know I sail Tidbit hard and often ;)


Sooner or later that boat will need some major stripping Its a guarantee that your seams will crack. Have you ever checked the underwater fasteners since you have owned the boat?


One grate thing about the seasonal work is you can do a lot of inspection.

I stripped the entire deck and cabin top last year and inspected and replaced fasteners that needed, rebunged and applied 8 coats of varnish. This year I will apply a few more coats.

This years project is the cockpit. I'm going to heatgun and scrape the inside bead board and refinish and varnish. Also the same for the tiller and CB case. And as I said the seats and floorboards will be painted in that loverly Grand Banks Beigh ;)

Next year is the spars and rigging and wooden blocks.

Every year I check the seams below waterline and above and fill with soft compound and repaint. And every year the seams crack its the pleasure of owning a ceader on oak wooden boat ;)



I see some major potential issues with the shape of that boat in the area of planks springing off under some of those nasty conditions that you have sailed in over the years. Check the hardware! under water!

Erster you have no idea of the level of the hardware below. The boat was built by Herb Baum like a freakin TANK !!! There are 1/2 BRONZE gussets knees under the mast partners. The stem and stern posts are HUGE they would be HUGE on a boat 3X the size. The planking is thick and well fastened. I'm always in awe of the level of build on this little boat. But still every year I check for any movement. None so far.

[erster]

Have you personally pulled any fasteners below the waterline? Seam crack ain't nuttin in the skemm of things. That boat will be prone to springing planks. Thats all I am saying. Topsides and all the other stuff is BS by comparison. If the boat is over 20 years old and has sat in the water, a prudent boat owner inspects their fasteners. Or let me just say even I do that even with my I.Q. on bronze hardware. ;)[in memory of O&O west]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Have you personally pulled any fasteners below the waterline? Seam crack ain't nuttin in the skemm of things. That boat will be prone to springing planks. Thats all I am saying. Topsides and all the other stuff is BS by comparison. If the boat is over 20 years old and has sat in the water, a prudent boat owner inspects their fasteners. Or let me just say, even I do that even on bronze hardware. ;)[in memory of O&O west]

So let me get this strait, a boat that is perfectly sound & solid nothing soft or mishapen. Inspecting the planks in the bilge and crawling around under it as you fill seams and inspect. Is not good enough YOU NEED to scrape out a bung or two and screw out a few fasteners to check ?

Tell ya what I do making her pretty, pretty good, But pulling a plank just to see if the plank ( which was previously perfectly fine and sound ) seems a little odd. But tell ya what I frequently have knowledgeable boat guys, more knowledgeable than myself like Mr Ledger come for a visit and a sail. I'll ask them what they think when they are on board ;)

I thought this thread was about paint & varnish - which I do have an opinion. I still say I liked yours bright ;)

[erster]

Pull a bung or remove any filler off the top of the fastener Joe, not a plank. This is done randomly across the bottom, four or five will do. Check along the keel area, especially. Then see if you can back out a fastener and look at the threads and the shoulder and yes even the color of the screw. This is done in almost all surveys before any boat sale of a wooden boat is considered to be sound and ready for the transfer of funds.

Consult your local surveyor for any followup on supporting this notion. Sure this thread is about painting, but segwayed into products that you were also using in freshening up your boat. My comments can and may improve several areas which you gasped about, cost and seam cracks too, considering that you aggonize on removing and improving the looks of your own boat. Take my suggestions for what you paid for it.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Oh I've done that .... yup it was OK. Color and screw shape looked like it just came from Jamestown . ;)

I do know that the catboat shape has to be one of the most tortured shapes in boat building.

[George Ray]

Beautiful Job!!!!!!

[erster]

Beautiful Job!!!!!!
Thanks , If this wind will ever quit, I plan on wetting it this weekend and get the cobwebs out of the cabin.