Manufacturer Identification Codes

[boylesboats]

Hey ya'll,

Got a call in past few weeks ago.. from USCG.

Nothin' serious thou.. I wasn't aware of MIC.. Ooop!:o
Since I build only small numbers of boats, I didn't think MIC is needed..
No matter if it a backyard one shot jobber, or multiple production.. Even if it been built one day and burned the next day...

Well, from now on.. MIC is a must, it free.. Apply for it from USCG.

Gonna send my application in Monday...

Anybody else done or have experience with this?
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[Mad Scientist]

Hi,

I'm just an amateur builder, but I like to have the 'official' information on hand, just in case...

The Canadian equivalent to the USCG regs for small boats is 'TP1332'...something that I noticed is the country code prefix to the MIC - manadatory if you intend to export to the EU.
I assume it's 'US-' for you, but the reference is 'ISO 10087 Small Craft - Hull Identification - Coding System'.

Hope this helps!

Tom

[tomlarkin]

I'm about to that point. Can you tell me how to apply for one of those?

[Peter Eikenberry]

Take a look here. http://newboatbuilders.com/pages/hin.html. it will explain everything you need to know about MICs and HINs (hull Identification Numbers. In fact the HIN is why you need the MIC.

See also the USCG Site http://www.uscgboating.org/safety/boatbuilder/part1/reg33_181_2a.htm.

Same is true for Canada. You need to get a MIC from the Canadian Coast Guard Office of Boating Safety. see http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/debs/obs/construction/manufacturer/menu.htm

For USCG Office of Boating Safety call 202-372-1073 or FAX 202-372-1934
or e-mail Richard.A.Blackman@uscg.mil or po.l.chang@uscg.mil

[2MeterTroll]

this is and will continue to be BS hogwash to support marine architects. i hate these lobbies wank regulations.
thanks for reminding me that i have to yet again, bend over for the government.

the thanks is heart felt as is the bitterness, but the bitterness is not directed at you.

[Ray Frechette Jr]

I don't see how it is hogwash to support marine architects.

Basically if the USCG finds a boat with a substantial flaw either in execution or design, they want to be able to idetify the builder.

As a builder you can be forced to recall your work to fix certain flaws juct like car manufacturers.

[2MeterTroll]

it is hog wash when it is applied to private builders that are not selling boats. it is also hog wash when it gets in the way of vocational boat builders that are evolving boat designs, sorry but i dont feel its any governments business unless i am selling a boat. since i am not selling my boat but i am required to have a number and be in the kneedeep data base and that requires me to pay for the testing of my design and have some titled number cruncher review the figures from that testing that i also must pay for; it is defacto support for private enterprise.
add to that the fact that boats still sink it is making me support a bunch of folks who dont have the lids screwed down in the first place.

Oh and my very own view that the absolute worst thing that ever happened to boats was the advent of "professional" marine architects, its hog wash.

[Peter Eikenberry]

Foolishness. If you build a boat for your own use, and never intend to sell it or give it away, you don't need a mic. But the boat does need a HIN, which the state of oregon will be happy to give you when you register the boat. The reality is, some people steal boats. The HIN was originally intended to be a means to tell when a boat was made, and who made it, so the USCG coud tell what standards apply. But in almost forty years it has also become an effect tool for law enforcement to find stolen boats, and to detect insurance fraud and other criminal activities. If that is interferring in your life, so be it. All boats now have HINs just like all vehicles have VINS (worlwide) . The law has been around since 1972,so if you didn't know it, you just haven't been paying attention.

The requirement for a HIN no way hinders boat building, or development of boats. yeah there are some requirements you might have to meet but, those are minimal safety requirements, which any legitimate builder would want to meet. I have met thousands of boat builders and not a one ever said to met they didn't want to build safe boats.

And again if you are building the boat for your own use and never sell it it or give it away, then you don't have to meet any safety requirements. The laws apply to boats that are sold or "entered into interstate commerce". So have fun burning your boat, or otherwise destroying it when you are done with it.

Oh, no offense intended.

[2MeterTroll]

how many boats are recovered by the knee deeps from the HIN's?
Not many I would wager.

its has nothing to do with not wanting to build safe boats it has to do with a number not guaranteeing a safe boat and the number crunchers not being the last word in guaranteeing a safe boat or even knowing a safe boat if it jumped on the dock and bit them. it also has to do with having every thing registered with the government. my business is not the governments business. like so many other things in this country folks roll over and let the government get its nasty little fingers into places it has no reason to touch. I am very aware of the requirement to register my boat but it dont have to be happy about it, or has the government made that mandatory as well?

its getting so you cant get away from big brother with all the other regulations that someone thought was a good idea. these are not laws we get to vote on they are regulations some bozo decided are good for us, most times pushed by a lobby for a group that gains for having these regulations in place. I think its a load of hog wash now and i dont see it changing very soon.

so let me distill this for you; I dont like ANYONE doing ANYTHING for my own good, because it's not for MY own good it is for THEIR own good.

IMO Keep your moral majority, there ought to be a law, benefit to a small group, Regulations to your self. Since i seem to be in the minority (since there are no votes we will never know) i comply however unwillingly.

[George Roberts]

2MeterTroll ---

The government has no concern about how you build a boat for your personal usage.

[2MeterTroll]

2MeterTroll ---

The government has no concern about how you build a boat for your personal usage.

nope it just wants to know where i am all the time, what i am on, how i got there, have control over my every little movement, make sure i have a little number they can track on everything i own including my self, and make sure i have my movement papers all in order at the demand of its little security wankers.

creepy stalker that it is.

Counting down the days till i get to finally bid this country adue and good riddance.

[JimConlin]

Arguing about whether such regulations are reasonable is a waste of breath. There's another reason to follow them.

I figure that if I sell a boat to someone, whether or not I originally intended the boat for sale, I'm creating a liability and if some father of six goes and drowns himself in it, I could get sued for every nickel I've got. Having attended to all the chickens**t details might help me demonstrate that I was being conscientious.

If I had nothing to be sued for, then it'd be another story.

[boylesboats]

Take a look here. http://newboatbuilders.com/pages/hin.html. it will explain everything you need to know about MICs and HINs (hull Identification Numbers. In fact the HIN is why you need the MIC.

See also the USCG Site http://www.uscgboating.org/safety/boatbuilder/part1/reg33_181_2a.htm.

Same is true for Canada. You need to get a MIC from the Canadian Coast Guard Office of Boating Safety. see http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/debs/obs/construction/manufacturer/menu.htm

For USCG Office of Boating Safety call 202-372-1073 or FAX 202-372-1934
or e-mail Richard.A.Blackman@uscg.mil or po.l.chang@uscg.mil

Thank Peter,

I think those linkies will be helpful for the others..
I've been all over Coast Guard site getting more info, downloading some important documents and such...

Guys it ain't no sense in arguing about it.. It been going on for years..

I'm happy to have that phone call, because I didn't know about the issue..

Anyway, carry on..

[Peter Eikenberry]

I might add a link to HIN 101 for boat owners. http://newboatbuilders.com/pages/hottopics.html