Unidentified Schooner Anyone recognise this one

[Zane Lewis]

This Boat has been in, had the rig out, repainted, had the rig reinstalled and back in the water here in Whangarei New Zealand.
Has a large fixed 3 bladed ofset propeller. Planked hull.
Anyone know what design??


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/zqlewis/Odds%20and%20sods/20062009311.jpg


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/zqlewis/Odds%20and%20sods/20062009310.jpg


Cheer's
Zane

[RFNK]

No idea but when I look at it all I see are those oversized cowl vents :eek: and the droopy angle of the bowsprit. It looks like a really nice boat but these couple of features really detract (IMHO of course). Maybe the vents are only for marina use? Rick

[CharlieCobra]

The sprit does sag a bit doesn't it...

[Bob Cleek]

Can't be positive, but it looks to be one of L.F.Herreshoff's.

http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2004/KiaOra-1.jpg

The cowl vents are removable. Their size, actually, is correct... if you want them to provide good ventillation in the tropics. The smaller ones we are used to seeing really don't move much air at all.

[rbgarr]

LFH Joann, shown on p. 266 in Sensible Cruising Designs.

[Paul Scheuer]

Does a schooner's bowsprit normally move as much as can be seen in the difference between Cleek's underway pic and the droop seen in the original pic ?

[rbgarr]

I don't think they are the same specific boat. Look at the colors of the spars and cabinsides.

[Zane Lewis]

Interesting. Looks a lot like that LFH.
Re bowsprit. The rig was back in but tension not set up. Also the pics are from a cell phone camera and may be a little distorted at the edges.
Zane

[John B]

I'd forgotten about that one. I had a look at her about a year ago when I was in Whangarei for a weekend.

[Bob Cleek]

It's not the same boat, but maybe the same design. I don't know which LFH schooner is in the photo I posted. (In fact, it's a FERROCEMENT hull!!! Egads!)

http://www.mastermariners.org/brigadoon1.jpg

This is "Joann" the LFH vessel depicted in both "Sensible Cruising Designs" (Elevation drawing) and "Commonsense of Yacht Design," (Photograph "The author's home one winter.") She's long been named "Brigadoon of Boothbay." She sails on SF Bay out of Alameda, owned by Terry Claus. She was owned by Sterling Hayden for a while. The brokerage I worked for back in the early 'seventies sold her to Dino Valenti of the band, Quicksilver Messenger Service. Terry Claus then bought her years ago and did a major restoration and now keeps her Bristol fashion.

Her rig was modified from the LFH design during Hayden's time. Murray Peterson, who designed the "Coaster" schooner series, modified the rig, adding fidded topmasts. She now has only the single fidded topmast on her main, but IIRC, the irons are still in place on the foremast. The main topmast is perhaps better looking than LFH's bald headed version, perhaps not, depending on your tastes. Some say she's tender under the Peterson rig, but as beautiful as she is, I could certainly live with that.

Now that the statute of limitations must have run, I can tell you about the time I was up in the rigging at the mainmast doublings with Dino Valenti figuring out some block modifications when he passed me some "wacky tobaccy." (We were in the ratlines which she then carried port and starboard.) Not that I was any stranger to it at the time, but those rock stars we palled around with back then always had the real good stuff. It took a LONG time to get back down off that stick and it wasn't fun! Ah, the crazy stuff ya do when you're young and dumb!

[donald branscom]

Night watcher, Chappelle?

[Bob Cleek]

I think Nightwatcher is somewhat smaller, not clipper bowed, and doesn't have the buffalo rail, which was something of an LFH trademark.

I can't even say whether the unidentified schooner is or isn't a L.F. Herreshoff design, though. So many boats have been build "based on" or "inspired by" some known design, it's hard to tell from a single photo.

[Ken Wilcox]

Just joined the forum and saw this thread.. The schooner reminds me of one my dad (Don Wilcox) designed and built. He named her Destiner, launched in '64 at Morro Bay. He apprenticed at W.F. Stone in Alameda in the '50s. Anyone heard of Destiner? Last I know of her she was in SF Bay in 1980, owned by a Mel Karn. Any info appreciated.
http://www.skookumpeak.com/Destiner/Destiner_fullsail.jpg

[Peerie Maa]

The line of the stem rebate does not look right for a LFH design. I think that the rebate curves too much at the top.
I agree that the bowsprit looks wrong, I think that its taper is wrong, too thick too far forward and then tapering too quickly.