Just fore the fun of it:)

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Saltiguy

So, how about getting back to work? You've been loafing long enough.
Don't forget the SANDING

You are absolutely correct with you observation regarding my loafing along Saltiguy. But it is a nice loafing along and the gf is very pleased too. Spent( used up) the better part of yesterday driving the gf 521 kms to buy a new car. She saw it advertised at a dealer way out in the country with a considerable price difference for the same car here in town. She claims she owes me big-time and there is nothing I like more than when she owes me.....collection time is always a treat

Funny you speak about the aft end of the boat, I've been busy there of late and will get pictures up for you to view this coming night.

-3C here at corporate HQ and what a wonderful, gentle introduction to the wonders of winter wihout a cloud in the early morning sky!

Have a nice warm day..........taskmaster


Cheers!


Peter, the guilty lazy loafer...

[Darren McClelland]

I know how you feel , I am suffering from a sore back and have been lazy myself, I need to get some inspiration to get off my butt, maybe once I get over the sore backand and the weather Iwilltake ona project in the shop.

Darren

[Darren McClelland]

Peter
I was wondering where you buy the plywood you use?

You mentioned before that it was MDO ? what is that and what is the full name

Thanks Darren

[P.L.Lenihan]

Back to the amateur hour featuring the on-going efforts of a ten-thumbed-two-neuron-wack-job, sometimes known as Tenner,Peter, Jackass and worse.............Yippee!


As we last saw, I was adding comfort details to the interior of the aft lazarette. With the bulk of this work now out of the way, a hatch is now needed .This is how I did mine. Enjoy.

I begin by going over to the cut-off pile for a couple of choice bits of 1/2" MDO which were saved precisely for hatch covers. The designer,Phil Bolger, sure did maximize plywood panel use with this design.Very little waste!

The cut-off was laid over the hatch opening and given a reasonably close tracing of the outboard(over coamings) shape.Cutting to this line, the panel was then returned to the hatch opening and the inside shape of the opening was traced from within the lazarette simply by lowering myself down into the hole,postioning the panel over the opening and tracing away with a pencil.




With a true and I hope accurate shape of the hatch cover traced onto the MDO, I proceed to rough up the faying surfaces for the framing stock and a doubler panel of 1/2" MDO.



A dry fittting of the doubler MDO panel. The 1/2" MDO is plenty strong for the relatively small size of this hatch cover( 24" X 30" Aprox.) however I chose to add the doubler so that any hatch lifting ring or device I will need to install will have enough meat bellow it for fastenings. It does however make for a very strong hatch cover able to withstand hours of my gf practicing here tap-dancing and is a wonderful opportunity for me to continue practicing working with wood.




Here we see the hatch cover frame dry fitted.This mahogany frame stock all recieved a slight hollowing on its' faying surface too and is held in place with some dry wall screws from bellow as is the doubler panel. The screws are really usefull for keeping everything "perfectly" positioned as they get laid in a thickened bed of epoxy.




Another view of the underside of the hatch cover with all its' elements dry fitted. The excess over-hangs will all get planed off after the epoxy has cured. It's always a good thing to leave yourself small margins of error when cutting shapes,just in case you cut things too precisely. If you want to see that sort of wood working, check out Mr.Ledger's catboat build thread. That's precision work and he has the experience and talent to pull it off perfectly too!




Once completely satisfied with how the whole hatch cover is going to be assembled, the bits are brought into the boat and laid out on a plastic sheet over the berth in the master stateroom.

Why the stateroom, you may be wondering? Because it is too cool now in the bowshed for proper epoxy work and with the heater now running 24/7..................



I am able to maintain a cozy inside temperature for epoxy and paint work.For my friends in the USA,read the right hand numbers.For the rest of the world, read the left hand numbers.




To be continued...........


Cheers!


Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

mixing up a small batch of epoxy,it's time to move smartly.




With perimeter frame epoxied and temporarily secured with drywall screws,I take off the gloves for a quick half-way-through-the-job picture of the thickened epoxy spread out to recieve the doubler.These are always weird pictures for me as they show something that will never again ever be seen once completed.





A dozen dry wall screws are spaced by the eye-ball method and driven home to snug the doubler panel evenly into the epoxy.




The squeeze out is then used to form a wee fillet around the perimeter of the doubler panel and as much excess epoxy removed while it is still soft.




Another view of the udder side of da hatch cover and the wee fillets. At some point however, one must stop fussing with the epoxy and just let it cure or else you just make a worse mess of things with the epoxy slowly going to a rubber phase.



The hatch,by the way, is sitting on a few 2X3s laid underneath it to prevent the dry wall screws from damaging the berth flat bellow it as the screws are slightly longer than the 1" thickness of the joined panels. A couple of hand clamps are located in the middle of the ends to snug down on the framing stock as only two drywall screws were used to secure these bits and the middle wasn't perfectly snug.....OCD acting up again!




"Alright Tenner, it's almost 05:00pm and they're about to close the yard so get the hell outta here and don't worry, I'll watch the epoxy cure for ya, you fool!"

Oh, before I forget,Simon says "Hi folks!"


Cheers!


Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Darren McClelland

maybe once I get over the sore backand and the weather Iwilltake ona project in the shop.
Darren

Hope springs eternal Darren!

As for the plywood, I ordered it from Simpson Ply, now Olympic Panel out west. It is their MDO Crezon TWO STEP with a few sheets of their SIGNAL brand for interior stuff. Very nice stuff, as far as MDO goes and probably right near the top in quality amongst MDO manufacturers.


http://www.olypanel.com/common/pdf/C...0-%2011-07.pdf


http://www.olypanel.com/common/pdf/S...it%2011-07.pdf


http://www.olypanel.com/


Cheers!

Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Saltiguy

Don't forget the SANDING

I've been meaning to ask you Saltiguy,why the reminder for sanding? Have you finally discovered that inner zone of glowing light and chanting maidens which one experiences when one discovers the zen of sanding? I hope so and good on ya!


Cheers!


Peter

[BarnacleGrim]

"It needs more sanding" was the default answer to any question asked to my old shop teacher. He was pretty much deaf from years of not using hearing protection, but the answer was true most of the time, nobody bothered to sand properly.

[Saltiguy]

Originally Posted by P.L.Lenihan

I've been meaning to ask you Saltiguy,why the reminder for sanding? Have you finally discovered that inner zone of glowing light and chanting maidens which one experiences when one discovers the zen of sanding? I hope so and good on ya!


Cheers!


Peter

It's the girlfriend, Peter. I'd much prefer to see photos of her performing her craft, than pictures of you drinking beer and playing with Master Bates.
Please - don't take it personally.

[Darren McClelland]

Originally Posted by BarnacleGrim

"It needs more sanding" was the default answer to any question asked to my old shop teacher. He was pretty much deaf from years of not using hearing protection, but the answer was true most of the time, nobody bothered to sand properly.

BarnacleGrim

Not just the default answer of old tech teachers but current ones as well, student roll their eyes when I give them that response , most often they do not sand enough,

Darren

[P.L.Lenihan]

The following day, once the epoxy was cured enough to be machined, the aft lazarette hatch was brought back out into the "shop" to get cleaned up.




Using the right angle grinder, the perimeter over-hangs of plywood get ground down flush to the mahogany framing stock. It is generally a ood thing to check for trueness after passing the grinder as we can see here. Admittedly, it first looked and felt good to my eye but it was only after putting the square on it that the truth was revealed.




Both the rounded corners and the straight sides ended up having a slight toe-in.



So, some careful work with the grinder and a sanding block and the edges are brought back into true.




And just to ensure I wasn't fooling myself, the square gets flipped along the way to double check the trueness.




In a relatively short time, the hatch is all true,all around, using just these simple tools.For the more traditionally inclined, a low angle block plane would have done the job too but poverty keeps me from discovering the sublime pleasures available through that tool and I like the speed and ease of the grinder.....lazt bum that I am



To be continued..........


Cheers!


Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Saltiguy

It's the girlfriend, Peter. I'd much prefer to see photos of her performing her craft, than pictures of you drinking beer and playing with Master Bates.
Please - don't take it personally.

Oh! I see now.....never mind my efforts to humour,inspire and wheedle folks into building a boat, any boat, through my exhaustive and time dense efforts documenting, through photos, how easy and fun it can be! The girlfriend, who has only made a couple of appearances here doing"light duty" stuff gets all your attention. "Harrumph", I say, and"cough",choke" and "hark"! While I can sorta understand how the sight of a grown boy nursing on the teat of life may do little for you, at any level, and that having a helper like Mr.Bates et al, may cause some to feel a slight twinge of envy, I should make it perfectly clear that it is I who is doing all the heavy lifting. That's right, I'm her slave boy de choix and when she deigns to show up at all, it is only to encourage me and to check that I'm not goofing off too much. You may be a real taskmaster Saltiguy by imploring me to carry on, the way you do, and git'er done but it is SHE who is my slavemaster.

I'll have to dream up some excuse now and see if I cannot entice her to drop by the bowshed-of-inequity for some....a....er....what is it now....oh yeah,....sanding. I hope she will concede and that you will be pleased.



Cheers!



Peter,aka, second fiddle Tenner....weep,weep,sniffle,sniffle.

[P.L.Lenihan]

I'll attempt to carry on with some hatch fun now, despite the horrible blow presented by Salitguy. I may have to go into an existential funk now and question the very meaning of every screw head I've ever twisted off or every cat I've ever hissed at.Where's Ishmael when a fella needs him?!!








Once satisfied with the bottom of the hatch, time to turn her over and put a nice bead on those sharp corners. For no particular reason, I chose 3/8" of an inch as a nice size and line off that measurement onto the hatch lid.Notice those nasty empty screw holes, once occupied by temporary dry wall screws to hold the framing stock in place? Good.





Using the grinder,block plane and sandpaper, the work moves along in a predictable fashion with the grinder used first to remove the bulk of the wood, followed by the block plane to get those plywood lamination lines paralle and finally sweetened up with some nice extravagant sandpaper.





However, knowing that I'll have to deal with those darned empty screw holes before I completely finish the hatch top, I ease up before really,really, finishing it up.




A good way to restrain my enthusiasm toward finishing up the top of the hatch is by flipping her over and cleaning up whatever small bits of epoxy squeeze out was along the inside perimeter.The simple tools above are all that is required to make a good job of it too!




Such mind-numbing tasks like scrapping, sanding and washing dishes by hand are great moments for problem solving for they seem to engage the mind just enough to stop the often relentless spinning around of thoughts thus providing an excellent opportunity for some clairity of vision and the odd eureka moment. Not sure how accurate that is but it is the lie I tell myself whenever faced with mind-numbing tasks. A real break too for my two neurons! Notice those empty screw holes on the doubler?




Well, here they are again but this time covered with small bits of tape in preparation for when I flip the hatch over once more to dribble epoxy into these vaccant screw holes. OCD can be both a blessing and a curse...........I should get tested to see if I have it!


To be continued...........



Cheers!


Peter

[BarnacleGrim]

Originally Posted by Darren McClelland

BarnacleGrim

Not just the default answer of old tech teachers but current ones as well, student roll their eyes when I give them that response , most often they do not sand enough,

Darren

I don't know about Canadian shop classes, but in the Norwegian ones, where I went to school nobody really saw the point, because it would turn out looking like crap anyway. I think that's a result of not putting the bar high enough and actually teaching some basic joinery and workmanship. The jocks took it well, they had other priorities, but the ones who actually loved shop went home after class with some pretty bad self esteem.

[Darren McClelland]

I have a mixture those who do great project and those who take it as a bird class , Iam struggling with the watered down curriculum and the lack of funds to run a great program, I fund a lot of projects to enhance the learning of my students , sheds, outhouses, chairs ,deck furniture and of course boats

You do your best , hope you inspire some

Captain Sawdust

One other note, I allow students to pick a project , it gives them ownership, I just gauge the suitablity to their abilities

[P.L.Lenihan]

Grim & McClelland, you guys are good to teach and inspire the younger generation like that. I wish I had had teachers like you two when I was a younger chimp! Cheers to you both!!


Picking up where I last left off, the construction and finishing up of the aft lazarette hatch cover.








The hatch is now turned right side up and stuff is readied for the next step.Here we see some nice round tooth picks.Exciting no? These will be used for more than just picking salade out from between my teeth.Yessirree,these will be my epoxy-plunging-screw-hole-filling pegs!Round tooth picks are best since they effectively mirror the roundness of the screw holes. So,let's get'er done or however rednecks say it!




With nothing more than wee screw holes to fill, we need a real micro batch of epoxy.Come to think of it,batch is too big a word for what we need.A thimble is better. Here we see a 2 dram hardener and 6 dram resin mix, for a nice 3:1 ratio, along with a tongue depressor split in half to fit the thimble as a stir stick. Next,after a suitable time spent thoroughly blending the two epoxy components together, some powder is gradually stirred into the epoxy to give it some body.In this case, warm mayonaise about does it,since we want to completely seal and plug them holes against any future ingress of water molecules various.Keeping the epoxy a bit runny,like warm mayo,allows some of the straight resin to get absorbed easily into the end grain of the plywood as it goes down the screw hole through the various strata.




After some time with the fussy business of plunging the lightly thickened epoxy into all the perimeter screw holes along with nice dribbles into the base of the exit screw holes in the middle of the panel(remember those red-taped holes?) you end up with something that looks like this. As an aside, notice how nice and parallel the plywood laminations are on the rounded edges.This is a good eye-ball illustration to show that the radius is even and not too wavey.





A close-up of one properly plunged, plugged and sealed screw hole.A bit of excess epoxy is left over the hole, just in case there remains a wayward air bubble waiting to escape after I've left the job but before the epoxy cures. One can never be too obsessive!




The following day, the hatch cover is brought outdoors into the bowshed for some more finishing. Here we see the toothpicks have all been snapped off and we are now ready to attack the hardened epoxy lumps with a rasp file and a sanding block.




Before the Tim Horten coffee has a chance to cool off, the rasping and sanding is completed on the outside of the hatch cover. A nice little bit of exercise first thing in the morning to warm up the muscles and chase away the chill in the air!


To be continued...........



Cheers!


Peter, redneck wannabe,gettin'er done one day at a time!

[P.L.Lenihan]

Moving right along................




A close up of a sanded screw hole plug. Ain't she all purrty like?!




Once the top side of the hatch cover is sanded to perfection(ya,right!), it is time to flip it over and remove that red tape used previously to keep the epoxy from dibbling right out the bottom of the holes!



Little Richard is just the tool for making short work of removing the very gummy adhesive the tape leaves behind and which would otherwise completely clog up a piece of sandpaper not to mention prevent proper adhesion of the finishes to be aplied later to the underside of the hatch cover. The sharp eyed may notice in this picture how these holes are not completely filled flush to the surface of the plywood doubler used here.I should have been a bit more insistant when pouring the epoxy into these holes earlier. Oh well, I can't make a batch of epoxy this small, thus these holes will have to wait for some extra squeeze out from a future epoxy job.



In the mean time, the hatch cover is brought back inside to the warmth of the stateroom,set atop a block of wood and waits patiently for a custom fitted layer of 10oz fiberglass cloth. "Why the wait", you ask politely? 'cause I justs gots me a telephoney call that my pipes is ready!! YAHOO!!






And these here are the pipes in question! Two lovely eight foot lengths of 3" stainless steel pipe(not tubing!) with one nipple per pipe welded onto the end!



These pipes,which I was very lucky to score a good deal on, will serve as both the air-intake conduits for venting the fuel tank chambers as well as the two fixed hard points onto which the support cables will be secured to and which hold up the aft deck folding extension piece.They are installed through two holes in the outside corners of the aft deck. One of them is the reason why I was busy working in the aft lazarette with the so called lower bearing support. They will each also recieve a dorade vent on their top ends.The nipples go inside the boat.




Cheers!


Peter

[WX]

Looking good Mr Lenihan, it's always a pleasure looking in on your thread.

[P.L.Lenihan]

Thank you Gary! Very kind of you to say so!Hope yours is advancing very well to your satisfaction!

Cheers!


Peter

[WX]

I'm fairly happy with the progress, though I am doing one or two things that some find possibly a bit strange, ie mounting the compass at the back of the cockpit
I still don't have the keel on the engine in or the mast built but I found myself over at the boat when I got home, rigging lines for the wind vane steering...oh well one less thing to do later.

[P.L.Lenihan]

Excited by the arrival of these wonderful intake pipes, I proceeded to do some rough calculations,study the plans, and calculate some more.Finally, I was satified with all the head scratching and began the task of drilling out the holes for reception of the intake pipes.This is how it was done:




With the aft deck following the sheerline, it is important to drill your holes perfectly perpendicular to the waterline so as to keep these pipes perfectly vertical,side to side and fore and aft. I clamped up a right angle square and used a level to establish the vertical axis. This is the port(no lazarette) side of the boat.




We can see here aproximately how mush "tilt" had to be applied to the drill for an accurate bore.What a treat it was to start the hole this way, with the hole saw catching and the drill just about tossing me off the ladder each time the saw caught! I borrowed this hole saw from the yard shop and man-o-man was it eve in need of a good sharpening!




The tail of the right angle square and the small wedge used to incrementally tap the square into a perfectly vertical postion. A 2X3 had been clamped onto the square to help hold it up and give some place for the clamps to grab it securely.




Looking down on the improvised drilling jig.




The hole saw bottomed out about here,without going through yet, and I could drill no further.




So Mr.Hammer Smith and Mr.Emo Chisel were invited to join the hole drilling fun!(lucky devils!)


To be continued...........



Cheers!


Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by WX

I'm fairly happy with the progress, though I am doing one or two things that some find possibly a bit strange, ie mounting the compass at the back of the cockpit
I still don't have the keel on the engine in or the mast built but I found myself over at the boat when I got home, rigging lines for the wind vane steering...oh well one less thing to do later.

Good on ya Gary! Remember, boats are like a giant jig-saw puzzle. If you keep putting the pieces together properly, you'll eventually run out of pieces to add and be left with nothing more than a boat Think of the bliss and joy which will ensue afterward!!

Cheers!


Peter

[WX]

eventually run out of pieces to add and be left with nothing more than a boat

My thoughts exactly, I'm actually thinking next November might just be a launch date. Fingers an toes x'ed.

[ben2go]

I'm guessing spring thaw.Won't be much to do this winter, but build a boat.


Say Peter,aren't ya purdy close to installing doors and winders?

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by ben2go

Say Peter,aren't ya purdy close to installing doors and winders?

I is, I is , but I really want to finish some outside stuff going on at the rear end first. I'm difficult like that at times

Cheers!


Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

With the right tools in hand, I began by carefully chopping off the upper most lamination.




Nice clean little 'glass and epoxy disque.



Following through now with some serious chipping out of subsequent plywood laminations until I was deep enough to return the hole saw to the task.



Deeper in it went until I was begining to wonder whether or not I hadn't perhaps screwed up somewhere with my measurements and was now drilling down through part of the 3X3 mahogany corner post of the transom!




But apparently God watches over fools and just when I was about to stop the drilling and reach for the ruler, we popped through!



A nice view from the top, for thems who likes holes.




And a reminder to me of just how bloody thick I had built this part of the aft deck! Only the very slighest suggestion of over kill,what?


Cheers!


Peter North*






*No Other Route Thought Heavy enough...........

[P.L.Lenihan]

With the port side deck-level hole now done, I shifted over to the easy side,starboard, for its' hole.






This side went like a breeze, being only 1/2" thick, and plenty strong considering the surrounding structure and frame work of the lazarette.....or thinks I.




Impatience is a terrible thing to waste! Without further fussing, I raised then lowered the two intake pipes through their respective holes just to get a feel for things and,eventually, be able to trace an accurate outline down bellow for the lower bearing supports once the pipes were plumbed and trued.




Another fine example of why we shouldn't be too eager nor too trusting of technology."Automatic" camera, with" auto-focus", illustrates my point yet again! A blurry view down into the lazarette showing the intake pipe resting on its' yet un-bored lower bearing.



The starboard intake pipe also in its' hole. The small wedge near base of pipe used to tweek the pipe to plumb with the aid of a spirit level to properly locate the position of the lower hole/bearing

.See the step ladder to the left of the pipe?I had to stand near the top of it to drill the holes while risking life-n-limb from the drill and dull hole saw. It was only after the second hole was all done that it ocurred to me how I could just as well have stood safely on the aft deck itself to drill these holes........Cheeses! I'm daft some times!

Also, some may notice my very first attempts at polishing the stainless steel without a clue how best to proceed with it.I hope to attain a mirror finish!





An upward looking view of the tops of the intake pipes and the taped holes through the bowshed roof to allow passage of these pipes as they must be raised near vertical before dropping down into their holes.The tape is doing a very good job on the innner layer of poly I've not bothered with the outside holes as I will soon get my new poly sheathing up there on the outside once the multiple fitting trials are done with these pipes. That is, they have to be hauled in and out a couple of times for various detail work which I can only do with them in their proper place but the welding has to be done elsewhere. They are also a real bugger to hoist, weighing damn near 80 odd pounds each!






A view from foward, looking aft, and we can see the two pipes in place. They still need to get trimmed down somewhat to their proper height.The dark horizontal lines near their tops represents approximately where they will get cut.

The roof top of the boat also has a temporary poly laying over it as this is just a length of sheathing which in turn hangs down to the ground on each side of the boat and affords some mild insulation value for the heaters-going-24/7-windowless-cabin bellow. It will also be useful when I come around to hang the ouside rubrail lamination early this winter.


ANYONE OUT THERE WITH SOLID ADVICE FOR POLISHING THESE PIPES TO A MIRRO FINISH IS MOST WELCOMED TO CHIME IN ANYTIME.......LIKE RIGHT ABOUT REAL SOON......PLEASE!!!!



Cheers!


Peter,soon to be polisher if s/s I hope!

[Ron Williamson]

Re. the stainless,quit frigging around with the "broken asphalt" grit currently on yer grinder.
I know FA aboot it, except that you're making it way worse,ie.them are some pretty deep,yet very shiny scratches.
The factory finish,while not shiny,prolly doesn't have many deep scratches at all.
Am I right?
R

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Ron Williamson

The factory finish,while not shiny,prolly doesn't have many deep scratches at all.
Am I right?R

Yes Sir!.....you are correct. But I want shiny not the dull factory finish and...and....I haven't a clue yet how.The sand paper was just to see how wrong I could be

Cheers!


Peter

[Ron Williamson]

So,If I wuz you,(remember,I ain't)I'd start with some green rouge(howzatt,my bilingue ami?) on a buffing wheel just to see how it comes up.
Rapeller,que je don't know nuttin' about dat.
R

[ben2go]

Originally Posted by P.L.Lenihan

I is, I is , but I really want to finish some outside stuff going on at the rear end first. I'm difficult like that at times

Cheers!


Peter

When you get her closed up,it'll be easier to warm her bones, and do some interior work.

BTW,I have used truck chrome polish to polish up stainless steel.I also used a bench grinder with a buffing wheel and compound.This method is faster of course.

[Jim Ledger]

Peter,

There are Scotch-Brite discs with varying degrees of coarseness that can be used with an angle grinder, which should bring your stainless to a more polished state. After that, maybe a felt buffer and compound. You'll spend your time telling your guest not to touch the pipes as they board the boat. Fingerprints, you know.

I emphatically endorse Rons suggestion about not sanding the metal at all...with anything.

Jim

[Saltiguy]

Well, the pipes are all very interesting in their own way, but I'm still mesmerized with that beautiful hatch you built. The pencil lines especially. Tell me Peter, did you use a #2 or # 3 pencil?

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Ron Williamson

So,If I wuz you,(remember,I ain't)I'd start with some green rouge(howzatt,my bilingue ami?) on a buffing wheel just to see how it comes up.
Rapeller,que je don't know nuttin' about dat.
R

Well, mon chum, for someone who know rien about polishing, you are onto something ici. J'ai tried le Vert red and sacré bleu, the stainless she comes shinier more and more I buff her. J'aime ca beaucoup!!! I've even busted another piggy bank and bought a blue rouge which apparently, is meant to follow the green rouge.

Merci milles fois my Ontario habitant

Cheers!

Lucky Pierre

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Jim Ledger

Peter,

There are Scotch-Brite discs with varying degrees of coarseness that can be used with an angle grinder, which should bring your stainless to a more polished state. After that, maybe a felt buffer and compound. You'll spend your time telling your guest not to touch the pipes as they board the boat. Fingerprints, you know.

I emphatically endorse Rons suggestion about not sanding the metal at all...with anything.

Jim

Thanks for the advice Mr.Ledger! I've cashed in more of my empty beer bottles and bought some pesky coarse pads for the grinder.This, along with some 80 grit emery paper,followed by some 120 emery paper,then onto some 180 paper and upward to 220 and finally some 400 has finally gotten rid of most of the big scratches I unwittingly committed on the pipes. With Rons' rouge suggestion....well Sir.....I need sunglasses to work on the pipes now, it is so bright and shiny!!

As for the concern about paw prints from boarding guests, these are 3 1/2" OD pipes,a bit big for delicate female hands to grasp securely and not really situated near enough to where the boardings will take place.I'll have better and real boarding grips installed for that purpose.

And yes, shiny is not everyones cup of tea but I'm like a kid in a candy store and I likes shiny, simple fool that I am. Besides, my gf loves polishing things.....all sorts of things


Cheers!

Peter

[Ron Williamson]

C'est rien,mon vieux.I'm glad it worked for you.
If I remember correctly,some Hyppocrytical oaf said,"Do no harm."
I've always said,"If that doesn't work,get a bigger hammer."
R

[P.L.Lenihan]

Ron,

I need a bigger buffer...............the hammer will come later Pictures to follow some time early next week.


Cheers once again and thank you for the excellent advice!



Peter

[Darren McClelland]

Peter

thanks for the plywood links, Iam currently looking into a supply here in the soo, I hope to start a project next month, I have been working on a sleigh for my wife decorations and have been working with my tractor I hope to build some cabinets for my mother and perhaps start the Palm beach after christmas, I have yet to start a boat at school , I may we have been busy with aset for a play and individual projects, your project looks great I like the stainless steel pipes, i think they would look better polished as well, I do not have much experience with stainless, my boss is currently building a evaporator for maple syrup and is using alot of stainle$$ and I will ask him how he polished it,

Yours in sawdust Darren

[Eric D]

Glad Ron chimed in, buffing is the key. Harbor freight has a dreadful 7" and 9" buffer, runs like the gears have sand in them, however, it is cheap, and will last long enough for your needs and will give you a bit of speed on this project.

After blue is white if you so desire....

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Darren McClelland

Peter

thanks for the plywood links, Iam currently looking into a supply here in the soo, I hope to start a project next month, I have been working on a sleigh for my wife decorations and have been working with my tractor I hope to build some cabinets for my mother and perhaps start the Palm beach after christmas, I have yet to start a boat at school , I may we have been busy with aset for a play and individual projects, your project looks great I like the stainless steel pipes, i think they would look better polished as well, I do not have much experience with stainless, my boss is currently building a evaporator for maple syrup and is using alot of stainle$$ and I will ask him how he polished it,

Yours in sawdust Darren

Darren,

Thanks for the shiny vote, I feel less alone now up against the formadible Mr.Ledger!(He's usually always right to boot!)

You sound like you've got your hands full and this is good.Perhaps not excellent for taking on a boat project but good nevertheless...idle hands,the devil and all that stuff


Cheers!

Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Eric D

After blue is white if you so desire....

Hi Eric,

Took the pipes back to the metal shop just about an hour ago for them to weld on two eyes for the drawbride/aft deck extension support cables. I was terribly proud too of my buffing work,amateur as it is, and watched carefully as the foreman came over to take a look at them. He gave an encouraging but too polite smile when I announced" I buffed them!" He asked what type of rouge I had used and told him,"Mais,le vert et le bleu monsieur,bien sur!" All I got next was," So, what you want now for us to do for your boat pipes kid?" Dashed as I was by this change of topic, I told him what I wanted and left.

Now, and only now too late, I am told there is another colour after the blue?!?! Tabernacle! No wonder he was not impressed! I shoulda waited to read your post first.Rats,drats and gnats!!

Oh well, I'll have to hit them pipes with the white when I get them back.......no turning back now I 'm afraid!

Thanks for raising the bar just a wee bit higher Eric.....and instilling weird thoughts in my mind about the mysteries of buffing


Cheers!


Peter

[Jim Ledger]

Aw, Peter, don't listen to me. I just talk to make some noise most of the time without even thinking that anyone might actually be paying attention. In my real life, it's such an unusual occurence that I feel I can say anything without fear of giving bad advice or hurting anyones feelings. It's only here, in the ether, that anyone might give my mutterings any heed.


You shine them as much as you want, pal. Get them chromed, nickel plated, match your gold tooth, whatever, and I tip my hat to you.

Jim

[Hwyl]

Am I correct in reading that "rouge" is available in green, blue and white. Seems counter intuitive.


Peter I've looked through this thread a few times, are there any pictures of finished examples of the Windermere.

What are your honourable intentions toward her once you've made her whole. Is it just the Saint Lawrence or do you see yourself gallivanting further afield.

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Hwyl

Am I correct in reading that "rouge" is available in green, blue and white. Seems counter intuitive.


Peter I've looked through this thread a few times, are there any pictures of finished examples of the Windermere.

What are your honourable intentions toward her once you've made her whole. Is it just the Saint Lawrence or do you see yourself gallivanting further afield.

Hi Gareth,

Yes, it took me by surprise too when I found out that "rouge" meant more then just the prefered colour of natures finest beverage.Today, with both arms just about to fall off, I can say without hesitation,never again will I take the name of Holy Mother Merlot in vain!

As to other examples of Windermere; to the best of my knowledge there are no others, with mine being the prototype.However, as I have been slogging away at her for a little over 7 years, other plans may have since been sold and one is already afloat somewhere. I really do not know.Perhaps Susanne will chime in with authority in this regard.

Regarding my long range plans for her once launched; certainly the St.Lawrence and more so our canal system up here,particularly in Ontario.The Great Lakes would be very nice as would Georgian Bay. However, nothing would please me more than to head down through Lake Champlain, then the canal and onto the the Hudson River thence onward along the Northeastern seaboard to drop by for a chat and a tot.

Really long range dreams,ie;after retirement; the Great Loop!

She is but an estuary cruiser not intended nor designed for ocean hopping, thus my intentions,while perhaps judged as honourable by some(thank you!) are per force humble.


Thanks for dropping by Gareth!!



Cheers!


Peter

[P.L.Lenihan]

Originally Posted by Jim Ledger

I just talk to make some noise most of the time without even thinking that anyone might actually be paying attention.
Jim

Mr.Ledger,

I used to be that way too......until my little friends started showing up at the bow shed to lend a hand and now I canna get rid of them!

Be very careful


Cheers!


Peter, the buffing maniac

[Hwyl]

I'd like to think Bolger was a fan of the Swallows and Amazon's series. This is captain Flint's houseboat actually on Windermere (my grandfather said it should never be called Lake Windermere because "mere" meant lake)

[BarnacleGrim]

It's amazing, when I was a kid I dreamed of having a boat just like Peter's, or maybe the one above. And I had never even heard of Phil Bolger.

[Saltiguy]

Originally Posted by BarnacleGrim

It's amazing, when I was a kid I dreamed of having a boat just like Peter's, or maybe the one above. And I had never even heard of Phil Bolger.

About a year ago, I was heading north on the ICW in Florida, and coming toward me was a beautiful boat which (I think) was a Czarinna design from Sam Devlin. My jaw dropped as she slid by - absolutely drop-dead gorgeous with an amazing fan-tail stern and lovely sheer. I had charter guests aboard, so I couldn't turn around to follow, but what a boat!

Too big for me, so I'm building the Champlain, but if I wanted a larger boat, that Devlin design would be the boat for me.

[cookie]

Je ne suis pas une expert on buffing, but I did find this site to be quite interesting. So for the buffing buffs: http://www.hobbytool.com/buffing.htm

Oh, Mr Lenihan, may I ask you what size of glass tape you recommend for reinforcing the non structural plywood joints? 2"?And which size for the semi-structural joints such as the inside corners in storage boxes, etc. 4" perhaps?

Merci beaucoup a votre recommendation.

Oh boy, if my high school French teacher would see me showing off here, he would be laughing himself silly, as I was one of his worst students.

[openboater]

Peter, have a look at this thread

http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101406

while this other thread is Aluminum pipe, I've got the funny feeling WBF forumite 'Pipefitter' may have a few helpful hints.