Raw Faith

[Tylerdurden]

Originally Posted by BETTY-B

It's probably free or super cheap since they took the docks out, right Mark?

DAN

Way I am looking at it is when I had the heart attack last year and needed to move the boat of the mooring in Portland no one there would cut me an ounce of slack. I had to go north where Maine really begins to meet decent folks on the water.

[Thad Van Gilder]

according to their website they want to put in a crows nest!

"Upcoming Projects
~Renovate cabins
~Build a crows nest
~Increase wheelchair accessibilty between decks
~Add automatic toilet"

-Thad

[katiedobe]

Really would someone please call the police and swear out a complaint that the owner of that boat is not in his right mind, needs a commitment hearing because he is "a danger to himself and others". They do that all over when a homeless person is raving in front of some store downtown. Why, when someone really is a danger,( he is, and he is mentally ill, Plus I bet he would lose it in front of the cops and judge and maybe get a contempt charge or an assaulting a police officer charge against him) to himself and others we cannot invoke that law?

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Originally Posted by Thad Van Gilder

according to their website they want to put in a crows nest!..

Will the crows nest be wheelchair accessible?

[Harbormaster]

The Pirate Ship at the mini golf course looks more seaworthy....

[BETTY-B]

What the hell is an automatic toilet? In my opinion, some things are just better left not automatic. But who am I to argue with the lord?

DAN

[Boston]

you have lived a sheltered life Betty

The new and improved Automatic Lou
Its on wheels and goes to wherever you are, that way you save time and energy on all that running back and forth. Why else do you think he is putting in all the ramps. So the automatic toilet can make its rounds.

lets try and keep up with the conversation there Betty these things have been around for a while
hell some even come with ski's instead of wheels for colder clime's



this one pictured isnt automated but you get the idea
you gotta get out more

cheers B

PS
my bet is he is probably talking about the new and improved poop deck

[BETTY-B]

Huh. Weird...

He should do the BD-8101.

[BarnacleGrim]

Originally Posted by katiedobe

Really would someone please call the police and swear out a complaint that the owner of that boat is not in his right mind, needs a commitment hearing because he is "a danger to himself and others". They do that all over when a homeless person is raving in front of some store downtown. Why, when someone really is a danger,( he is, and he is mentally ill, Plus I bet he would lose it in front of the cops and judge and maybe get a contempt charge or an assaulting a police officer charge against him) to himself and others we cannot invoke that law?

The sad thing is, when people go nuts they really only have themselves for help. Whatever you do, it will end badly. On one end we're talking about lives of volunteers lost, navigation hazards, cleanup costs, and on the other end we can fry his brains with ECT, reducing him more than Raw Faith ever could, but out of sight and out of everyone's conscience.

Best case scenario is he realises he has gone too far and seeks psychiatric help himself. Then it could actually do him some good.

[Chris Coose]

Originally Posted by Tom3

I'm afraid Portland may just turn into a replay of Rockland.

I know the Harbormaster and I know Phin Sprague @ PYS well.
I can understand Phin's involvement as he knows and has some interest in the exentricities that the ocean may deliver but he is foremost a business man.
The Harbormaster is likely to insist RF is bearthed rather than anchored.

Both of these guys have experienced lots of problems in salvage and both know this ain't like dealing with an abandoned fishing boat.
RF will not be treated as she was in Rockland.

I live just up the Hill from PYS and I have yet to take a walk down. After viewing the image of the rudder rig I will not take the risk of a verbal engagement with anybody who has anything to do with that ocean displacement calamity.

Pretty sure RF is at PYS this day.

[Bill Fisher]

Originally Posted by Candyfloss

I get lost in this debate about why volunteer (or in the case of the USCG, professional) rescue organizations should risk the lives of their members going to the help of people they have told their venture is foolhardy. Even forbidden them to do it, but they do it anyway. For this reason, I'm glad I don't belong to such an organization. I'm sure I could not keep myself from thinking "Nah, bugger them. I told them not to do this. I'm not going out in that to rescue the silly bastards."

In the fire service, with enough experience, you get to tell what's an accident and what's negligence.

Helping out an accident victim is why I'm a firefighter and the good feelings last and last.

Cutting a drug addict out of his car, and out of the house he drove into (in this case his own), and receiving a letter from the hospital telling all the scene personal to go get checked out (Hep C in the victim) leaves bad feelings that last and last (and if I got Hep C, or worse, last for the rest of my life).

We (first responders) don’t get to choose who we help, our Oath is to save Life and Property, we deal with the emergency that is front of us.


Bill.

[Bill Fisher]

Originally Posted by Bob Cleek

Out here in CA, we just lost seven Coasties and a couple of Marines when a USCG C-130 collided mid-air with a USMC chopper off the coast of Southern CA. The Marines were on a training exercise. The Coastie C-130 was responding to a pleasure vessel's "SOS." As far as I'm concerned, the guys who have to risk their lives to save somebody else's have every right to keep people from doing stupid things that might get rescuers killed.

It's one thing to laugh and make fun of odd-balls like this "Raw Faith" guy, and quite another to watch husbands and fathers die attempting to rescue them from their folly. From what I've seen in this thread, "Raw Faith" needs to be condemned as a "hazard to navigation" and broken up at her owner's expense. She should NOT be allowed to leave port. Enough is enough.

Agreed,

But then first responders (COPs got to have it worse) are probably not the best people to ask about Civil Liberties because we've seen too many of your liberties kill and injure someone else. Sometimes us.

Bill

[Boston]

now there's an age old question rearing its proverbial head again. couple of buddies of mine are cops and my roomy is a nurse. On the one hand you chose that job, on the other you chose it cause you believed in it, not necessarily cause you were looking to get killed doing it for the sake of some nit wit who should have known better. My two cents is it goes with the territory. This blind faith guy is just some nit wit who will eventually get called out. Only thing that can be done is to hope that happens before he hurts "someone else". as there have already been injuries when the masts collapsed last time. The coast guard has to be aware ( and more so than we ) of the dangers involved in that thing and its there call and there dime so to speak. I can only guess there ok with rescuing him over and over or they wouldnt be doing it. Why, is anyone's guess.

[martin schulz]

Well from my point of view this idiot, who built this "object" (to call it boat/ship would not be correct), may do whatever he pleases.

The funny thing is that I know a lot of people like him. They tend to apply for membership in museumharbours. Then when I start explaining that they can do whatever they they want with their boats, but the museumharbour has a certain responsibility to maritime tradition, heritage and historic correctness, they always get angry.

After my explanation I am either:
1. a snob
2. a babbitt
3. preventer of dreams
4. all of the above

[Candyfloss]

As Bill says, Boston, it may not be their call.
God help us all to have the wisdom.

[Chris Coose]

Turns out the Portland Harbormaster has another fine kettle o fish to deal with:



In today's Press Herald:http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/in.../2625591-l.jpg

Further in the article we find this quote by the owner!!!
"Everybody's afraid of wooden boats these days."

BTW, the fellow logged in as "Harbormaster" is not Jeff in Portland.

[Steve Paskey]

The link above is the picture only. The article is here:

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/st...95088&ac=PHnws

PORTLAND — The Frankie Joe, an old wooden fishing trawler, has become something of a fixture at the city-owned Portland Fish Pier in recent months. Crews from other fishing boats move it up or down the wharf whenever it gets in the way. But the distinctive blue-and-white boat doesn't go far. City officials are worried that it never will.

Portland's harbor master issued an order last month telling the owner, who hasn't paid any berthing fees, to remove the vessel or face fines that could be as much as $500 a day. The city is even considering taking ownership of the boat, although officials hope it won't come to that.

The boat's owner, Keith Fitzell, said he needs just a little more time. Fitzell said he can't leave the harbor or earn money to pay for berthing because fuel and electronic equipment were stolen from the boat while it was tied up at another wharf in June. He's now trying to sell the boat and fishing equipment to cover expenses, and said he's close to finding the Frankie Joe a new home. "It's my absolute number one priority," Fitzell said.

[Vince Brennan]

Bump?

[Boatguy1972]

Originally Posted by Vince Brennan

Bump?

bump to which story, Raw Faith or Frankie Joe?