Raw Faith

[Roger Long]

Originally Posted by Tylerdurden

the guy has a right to sail it.

I agree that people have the right to go out and risk their lives but it looks different to me when they are risking the lives of others to this extent.

As Harbormaster of the shore where this thing could very well fetch up and disintegrate, I could end up spending days of unplanned time watching thousands of dollars of taxpayer money being spent on a clean up that hopefully won't involve body bags. I've been there when boats came ashore and the crew didn't and it's grim. Considering the construction (the anchor light is a household wall fixture, complete with base, hanging on an extension cord), I would be stunned if he has insurance that would cover cleanup or care of any injured. His "rights" look very different from where I sit.

[Paul Pless]

WTF???

[rbgarr]

The Erector Set School of Shipbuilding.

[Brian Palmer]

Originally Posted by rbgarr

The Erector Set School of Shipbuilding.

I am sorry that is not fair and totally out of line.

Erector Sets (TM) were designed with a specific eductional and entertainment purpose in mind and fulfilled that purpose very well indeed. One of the best toys ever invented.

Brian

[Bruce Taylor]

You know, that bowsprit could really use some packing tape, and maybe a couple of bungee cords, to hold it down. I'm surprised the builder didn't think of that.

[perldog007]

Possibly the most aptly named tub in maritime history.

[Bill R]

That bowsprit holder thingy looks to be a recycled satellite dish mount. Identical to the one I just got done adjusting.

[Bruce Taylor]

Originally Posted by Bill R

That bowsprit holder thingy looks to be a recycled satellite dish mount.

I wonder how many channels it pulls in? Seems like a convenient way to glean boatbuilding tips on the Home and Garden channel.

[SMARTINSEN]

Kind of sad.

The chain plates appear to be an afterthought

[rbgarr]

Originally Posted by Brian Palmer

I am sorry that is not fair and totally out of line.

Erector Sets (TM) were designed with a specific eductional and entertainment purpose in mind and fulfilled that purpose very well indeed. One of the best toys ever invented.

Brian

I mainly remember getting my shirtsleeve caught in the exposed gears of the electric motor that came with the set. My mother was not pleased.

[dskira]

At least RAW CRAP is not anymore in Rockland.
Portland, I hope you get rid of these ignominie.
How he pay for the dock? With ROW CRAP money?

[ben2go]

Any idear what happen to her?Hope full holed and sank in deep water.

[Paul Girouard]

Originally Posted by ben2go

Any idear what happen to her?Hope full holed and sank in deep water.

She's tied , or was tied , to the dock in Portland , Me.

Here's it is in the back ground behind Steven Bauer's boat being pulled a day or so ago.



See the tread :

http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104763

So unless you're asking about something else "it" seems to still be floating some how!

[Candyfloss]

Now there's a contrast in styles......

[Thad Van Gilder]

apparently they still don't have an engine installed... That's what their website says!

-Thad

[Hwyl]

The Harbor Master was "chatting" with them today.

[Thad Van Gilder]

Oh really? Do they plan to stay in portland for 4 years?

-Thad

[Thad Van Gilder]

oh, an article states:

"Last week the RawFaith and its five member crew were heading to Salem, Massachusetts when it ran into bad weather off Portland Harbor. So, she headed into Portland Yacht Services to find refuge from the almost 6 ft. seas she’d encountered offshore. In Salem, McKay had planned on giving tours over the Halloween weekend as well as recruiting possible crew members for the ship’s continued journey to Brazil. McKay is sailing her to Brazil to have the ship bottom copper plated; labor is far less expensive there and copper is plentiful. He said yesterday afternoon that he’s in talks with several area people who may join him for the upcoming trip to Brazil. "

Brazil for a copper bottom...
interesting.

-Thad

[StevenBauer]

Roger just posted this on another thread:

"Have no fear for naive young sailors. No large strange wooden boats will be challenging the North Atlantic at least until good weather returns. The nature of the way I came by this information prevents me from being more specific."


Steven

[Dave R]

Let's hope she doesn't sink at the dock. She'll take it down with her.

[StevenBauer]

The docks come out for the season at PYS tomorrow. I'm not sure where she'll go.



Steven

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Originally Posted by Candyfloss

Now there's a contrast in styles......

I wouldn't use the word "style" in reference to Raw Faith. But then Steven's boat has enough "style" for both (well not quite, but close).

[Boston]

I give Steve an A for his beautifull little boat
got more pictures Steve
love to see em
B

[StevenBauer]

Originally Posted by Boston

got more pictures Steve
love to see em
B

There are three seasons worth here somewhere.
Start here: http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63184
Then click on the Talisman tags at the bottom of the thread.

[Bill R]

Originally Posted by Thad Van Gilder

...for the ship’s continued journey to Brazil. McKay is sailing her to Brazil to have the ship bottom copper plated; labor is far less expensive there and copper is plentiful. He said yesterday afternoon that he’s in talks with several area people who may join him for the upcoming trip to Brazil. "

Brazil for a copper bottom...
interesting.

-Thad

Hmmmm... I wonder...

Does Brazil have an extradition treaty with the US?

Just wondering...

[TimH]

Think that thing will make it to Brazil?

[Garth Jones]

"Last week the RawFaith and its five member crew were heading to Salem, Massachusetts when it ran into bad weather off Portland Harbor. So, she headed into Portland Yacht Services to find refuge from the almost 6 ft. seas she’d encountered offshore. In Salem, McKay had planned on giving tours over the Halloween weekend as well as recruiting possible crew members for the ship’s continued journey to Brazil. McKay is sailing her to Brazil to have the ship bottom copper plated; labor is far less expensive there and copper is plentiful. He said yesterday afternoon that he’s in talks with several area people who may join him for the upcoming trip to Brazil. "

Refuge from almost 6' seas? Wow! So that's his definition of bad weather. Perhaps he can ask the Almighty to arrange for the Atlantic to be as flat as a millpond for a few weeks while he goes south.

[rbgarr]

I imagine the worms would get to it before they got very near Brazil.

[StevenBauer]

I was skeptical about his claimed wave heights so I just looked on the GOMOOS (Gulf Of Maine Ocean Obsevering System) archives and saw that the waves were actually a little higher than he claimed. Between 6 and 7 feet on the afternoon of the 28th.

Steven

[Boston]

wow a whopping 7 feet eh
and he's in a hundred foot ( cough, hack, spit before you say it ) "race" built galleon
must be a nightmare aboard that thing

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Lets think this out!

6'-7' seas are too much for Raw Faith.
No engine, so Raw Faith needs some wind to navigate safely (I know, but it is a relative term).
Raw Faith from all accounts doesn't sail well.

So there is a very small range of conditions (assuming that there is one) that Raw Faith can operate.

Raw Faith is preparing for a trip to Brazil.

My question is:
How long of a suitable weather window would Raw Faith need to sail from Maine to Brazil?

[Richard Jones]

That thing looks like a cheap tourist attraction. I can't believe anyone is honestly thinking of sailing it anywhere. If they are, they're certifiably "nuts".
Hope the owner doesn't talk some gullible fools into crewing for him.

[BETTY-B]

I think it's incredible that it held up to any waves at all.

The complete absence of reason is a very confusing place....

DAN

[WX]

It's an accident waiting to happen. I just hope there is someone within rescuing distance when that nightmare starts to break up.

[rbgarr]

Originally Posted by S/V Laura Ellen

Raw Faith from all accounts doesn't sail well.

Only downwind, too. I don't think she can sail higher than a beam reach.

[Lincoln C]

From the Portland Press-Herald:

http://blogs.pressherald.mainetoday....ortland-harbor


"...if you stroll down the trail, you'll be able to catch a decent view of its handcrafted charm."

[Dave R]

So does anyone in Portland feel like they've been transported back to the 16th Century?

That 16th Century stuff is getting a bit deep. I'm gonna need my hip waders.

[rbgarr]

It must be the late 1500s if it's a racing galleon, eh? A forerunner to the Age of Enlightenment??

[alkorn]

I find it sad. Throughout history some merchant sailors and fishermen have gone to sea in ships and boats that they knew were not as seaworthy as they should be. They usually had no choice - either use what they had or see their families starve. Now here's this guy who wants to go to sea in this ridiculously dangerous tub for FUN.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

The way she's hogged, she may be well suited for riding right over 6-ft waves better than most vessels of comparable size.

The only god thing about a voyage to Brazill is that she won't get beyond Florida before she sinks or wrecks. The problem with that is trecherous waters lying beteen Portland and Miami.

So whip my knuckles with a wet noodle for mocking RF.

Moby Nick

[Peter Belenky]

>It must be the late 1500s if it's a racing galleon, eh?

Not a racing galleon, a race galleon. (see http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1 )

Race, in this context, is etymologically related to raze, i.e., cut down. Confer a "razee," a ship of the line cut down to a frigate or similar reconstruction.

[Hal Forsen]

I'm curious why the CG hasn't stepped in?
There has got to be SOME sort of violations on that floating heap.

What's the opposite of Ship Shape and Bristol Fashion?

[I, Rowboat]

Originally Posted by Hal Forsen

I'm curious why the CG hasn't stepped in?
There has got to be SOME sort of violations on that floating heap.

What's the opposite of Ship Shape and Bristol Fashion?

I beleive that would be "Piss-Poor and Wholly Unfit."

[katiedobe]

I still cannot believe that the press article's written in the Portland area continue to refer to the skipper as Captain. When did he pass his test? What tonnage is he qualified to handle?
I would think that the Portland, ME press would be more knowledgable about maritime terms than most other areas of the USA.

It just galls me to hear this man refered to in press as "Captain". Hell even on Giligan's Island the man in charge of the boat was called Skipper. And I think he was way more qualified than this guy.
How about a police intervention putting him on a psychiatric hold for 72 hours to start commitment hearings. Under the reasoning that he is a "danger to himself and others."
Can a private citizen start the complaint process please.

[Tylerdurden]

Originally Posted by Roger Long

I agree that people have the right to go out and risk their lives but it looks different to me when they are risking the lives of others to this extent.

As Harbormaster of the shore where this thing could very well fetch up and disintegrate, I could end up spending days of unplanned time watching thousands of dollars of taxpayer money being spent on a clean up that hopefully won't involve body bags. I've been there when boats came ashore and the crew didn't and it's grim. Considering the construction (the anchor light is a household wall fixture, complete with base, hanging on an extension cord), I would be stunned if he has insurance that would cover cleanup or care of any injured. His "rights" look very different from where I sit.

I think I said it in one of my posts that I take issue with him accepting youth and inexperienced for a crew. If he wants to do Brazil let him take some old farts who don't have a whole life ahead of them. I really wish him fair winds an following sea's (below 6')

[Brian Palmer]

I am not sure of the situation in Maine, but in many states, the coastal waters below the tides are part of the "public trust" and the government is given the responsibility to manage how the waters and the land under them are used. This is reflected in the fact that moorings, docks, and floating aquaculture are subject to state or local regulation.

So, to some extent, it may be the state's business to ensure that a vessel that could affect the public trust waters of the state is not in such an obvious condition that it could adversely affect those public trust waters because it sinks.

Just a theory.

Brian

[Kaa]

Originally Posted by alkorn

I find it sad. ... Now here's this guy who wants to go to sea in this ridiculously dangerous tub for FUN.

Kaa

[mizzenman]

Can somene enlighten me please: is that peace from Portland Pres Herald writen in a sarcastic tone?

The whole ship is a testament to this skill

[weedeater64]

Originally Posted by Steve Paskey

I'm not very familiar with Coast Guard regs, the different rules for commercial versus private vessels, or the different rules for smaller versus larger vessels ... Can someone please explain to me how it is even POSSIBLE that the USCG would let someone leave port in this thing?

I should think that if they allowed it, then the ship is indeed safe, regardless of popular opinion on the forum. After all the USGS is the authority and did the inspections, not anyone posting here.

[rbgarr]

Originally Posted by Peter Belenky

>It must be the late 1500s if it's a racing galleon, eh?

Not a racing galleon, a race galleon. (see http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1 )

Race, in this context, is etymologically related to raze, i.e., cut down. Confer a "razee," a ship of the line cut down to a frigate or similar reconstruction.

Very interesting! Thanks for the heads-up.